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There is a school of thought that posits that Adam - of Genesis fame - was not actually the first man, but rather the first prophet in the line of prophets that spawned the Abrahamic faiths. The crux of this is that there was nothing good nor evil prior to the teachings of the creator having reached us - hence like the ravening wolf or the ferocious lion, there was nothing intrinsically wrong in anything we did since it was only natural. Once the concept was introduced that there was a purpose-driven, life-loving God, however, good and evil could be finally identified as those behaviors which departed from that purpose and interfered with that life. Hence the tale of Cain and Abel and most everything else in the Torah.

Now I am not here to argue this idea today. I am more interested in the location. Adam is said to have appeared in the garden of Eden, and of all the locales that have been proposed as the "real" Eden, I have been most convinced by the suggestion of David Rohl that it might have been Tabriz. I think it was the documentary, In Search of Eden - which can be found on You Tube that mostly convinced me. I may well be mistaken, however, so do your own research.

What intrigues me about this location is that some six thousand years later, around 1844, another man appeared in Iran claiming to be next in the Adamic line of prophets. Ignoring every gory detail about this, I will merely note that the Islamic clergy of Iran had this man executed on July 9, 1850 in what was then downtown Tabriz.

In a sense, then, what began with Adam in Eden came full circle and was brought to a close in the same location. Curious.

So, if Iran was in fact the host to the original garden of Eden, then it would follow that some of the oldest cultural elements of civilization may have sprung from that region, and one might expect that some of the most mature concepts regarding life the universe and everything have been and continue to be evolving there.

Sadly, Iran is mostly being demonized these days - not without good reason, mind you - to the citizens of the USA, so it is a knee-jerk reaction of many in the West to eschew everything associated with Iran. In fact, most of the evils that issue out of that country seem to be caused by a minority of fanatics who have a stranglehold on governance and their oppressions are evident and well documented. To some extent, the people of that country are rising up against that oppression, so there may well be an end one day to that circumstance.

All of this is a long way around to recommending that every "educated" American should be familiar with the story of Layla and Majnun - perhaps the original "Romeo and Juliette". It is a tale familiar to most every Iranian, one that inspired Eric Clapton in composing perhaps his most famous tune. Maybe one day, Hollywood will grace us with a worthy film depiction of it.

Likewise, those who would account themselves as culturally informed might wish to peruse some of the poetry of Rumi:


Beyond

Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing,
there is a field.
I'll meet you there.

When the soul lies down in that grass,
the world is too full to talk about.

Ideas,
language,
even the phrase "each other"
doesn't make any sense.

and Hafez:


Will Beat You Up

Jealousy
And most all of your sufferings
Are from believing
You know better than God.
Of course,
Such a special brand of arrogance as that
Always proves disastrous,
And will rip the seams
In your caravan tent,
Then cordially invite in many species
Of mean biting flies and
Strange thoughts-
That will
Beat you
Up.

So just some ideas on how to fill your new year, or whatever.

Oh yeah, and if any of your neighbors are Iranian refugees, consider going out of your way to talk with them. For the record, I am not Iranian, but one of my neighbors is.

--
"So make the best of the situation before I finally go insane", -Derek and the Dominos, Layla

 

Reply to: Among jinn and men

    (Score: 1) by nostyle on Monday January 30, @03:30AM

    by nostyle (11497) on Monday January 30, @03:30AM (#1289236)

    One of the more interesting concepts introduced in the Qur'an is that of the jinn. In fact, they are mentioned in the final verse of that book:

    114  An Nas   (Mankind)

    1  Say, "Refuge I take                              (Lit:  I seek refuge)
           in [the] Lord [of] all men,                 (Lit:  mankind)
    2  [the] King [of] all men,
    3  [the] God [of] all men,
    4  from [the] evil [of] the whisperer,       (Alt:  harm)
           the skulking one,                              (Lit:  one who withdraws)
    5  the one who whispereth
           into [the] breasts [of] all men
    6  from {among} jinn and men."

    Note: this rendering is my own -- taken from my study material. Bracketed words [like this] are generally accepted words added in most every existing translation. Words in curly braces {like this} are words I have added to help clarify the verses as I understand them. Literal (Lit:) and alternate (Alt:) translations are noted where some might argue.

    Now a long long time ago in a reference I cannot recall, somebody pointed out that the jinn essentially represented organized bodies comprised of men, ergo clans, governments, gangs, clubs, corporations, ...etc. I have found this notion to be quite instructive in studying the Qur'an. So the jinn who whispers to me that I should eat an Oreo cookie is named Nabisco, and the jinn who spilled oil into Prince William Sound, AK in 1989 was named Exxon.

    One consequence of this, if accurate, is that in Islam, corporations are _not_ people. They are jinn. Perhaps, in the USA we need a new branch of law based on this idea.

    --
    I have several hundred pages of this study material - where I have rendered the verses poetically into a form that makes the most sense to me, while noting troublesome constructions and arguable translations. Now that my journal has rolled off the front page I am considering the possibility of publishing some of it in this journal so that I might have access to it somewhere online and so others might benefit from the years of effort it has taken to assemble it.

    Still, I'd like to post such things as AC so as not to suffer troll moderation whenever I post them - I just want a quiet corner of the internet to stash stuff. The danger with posting them AC is that one day a nemesis could begin posting fraudulent/fake materials while claiming to be nostyle - thereby misleading many. Mulling over this thought, it occurs to me that I could publish a public key while logged in as nostyle and then digitally sign whatever AC entries I post to certify that I was in fact the author.

    I have been considering that I would do this manually, but I am wondering if anyone here knew of an easier method or a freely available toolset to accomplish it.

    --
    As an additional teaser, here is the first chapter taken from my notes:

    1  Al Fatihah   (The Opening)

    1  In [the] Name [of] God, the Most Compassionate, the All-Merciful!
    2  Praise [be] to God, the Lord of the worlds,
    3  The Most Compassionate, the All-Merciful,
    4  [The] Sovereign [of] Judgment Day.
    5  Thee alone do we adore,                                                                       (Alt: worship)
          and Thee alone do we implore for aid.
    6  Guide us on the straight path,
    7  The path of those upon whom
          Thou hast bestowed Thy favors, -
          not {the path of} those
          who have gathered upon themselves Thy wrath,
          nor {the path of} those who do stray.

    --

    If I gave you the sky
    If I laid down my life
    Would you believe me then?

    -Jonatha Brooke, Because I Told You So

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