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Here is how platforms die: first, they are good to their users; then they abuse their users to make things better for their business customers; finally, they abuse those business customers to claw back all the value for themselves. Then, they die.
I call this enshittification, and it is a seemingly inevitable consequence arising from the combination of the ease of changing how a platform allocates value, combined with the nature of a "two sided market," where a platform sits between buyers and sellers, hold each hostage to the other, raking off an ever-larger share of the value that passes between them.
[...] Search Amazon for "cat beds" and the entire first screen is ads, including ads for products Amazon cloned from its own sellers, putting them out of business (third parties have to pay 45% in junk fees to Amazon, but Amazon doesn't charge itself these fees). All told, the first five screens of results for "cat bed" are 50% ads.
This is enshittification: surpluses are first directed to users; then, once they're locked in, surpluses go to suppliers; then once they're locked in, the surplus is handed to shareholders and the platform becomes a useless pile of shit. From mobile app stores to Steam, from Facebook to Twitter, this is the enshittification lifecycle.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 25 2023, @06:48PM (15 children)
We have allowed Capital to rule our societies. If you are born correctly, you already have UBI and more. Apparently those with genetically-endowed UBI like nothing more than... fucking over people who do not. It seems to be an acquired taste, or perhaps a psychiatric affliction, of the useless idle rich who need validation in the form of seeing other people suffer more than them, since that proves how much better off they are.
(Score: 5, Funny) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday January 25 2023, @07:42PM (3 children)
Just missing the meaning of U, it's like Oprah: "U get enough money to live, and you get enough money to live, and you get enough money to live, and you get enough money to live, EVERYBODY gets enough money to live." Universal.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 25 2023, @08:35PM (2 children)
Well, forgive me, I was imagining why we have to imagine it.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Wednesday January 25 2023, @09:01PM (1 child)
Because we don't have the U yet, not even on a state much less national level. I mean, O.K. Alaska has the Permanent fund and that is universal for people who spend 6+ months resident in state, but that's both unreliable in it's amount and hardly starts to make up for the increased costs of living in the great frozen North. Take the Alaska Permanent fund and push that up to $15K per year per person, reliable, throughout the state of Alaska, and see how that changes things. Right now the AK permanent fund payout typically only runs $1K-$2K per year. Average heating costs in Fairbanks run over $6K per year. Now, make that U across the whole US of A at $15K per person per year and see what happens...
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(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday January 25 2023, @09:21PM
I suspect we will go on hearing the sob stories of orange-haired cry babies, with silver spoons cascading out of their pouty mouths, who haven't been allowed to be Pwesident or Kingy Wingy.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by khallow on Thursday January 26 2023, @12:06AM (10 children)
It's like saying you allow food and water to rule your life. There are some things that are necessary for a society to exist and function at any level, even that of living in a cave. Capital is one of those things. So is labor whether from human sources or not.
Or if you work. That's why I'm not interested in UBI. This is already a solved problem.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday January 26 2023, @07:28AM (9 children)
Fire is necessary too, but look what happens when fires run out of control. You're either deliberately strawmanning what the GP said, in which case you're evil, or you're too dumb to understand it, in which case you shouldn't be posting here. Myself, I'm learning toward "you're evil," given you don't seem to be lacking points in INT. WIS, for sure, but not INT.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 26 2023, @06:26PM (4 children)
I'll respond to you, since the other poster is arguing in bad faith (equating Trump's twitter ban with actual political repression, pffft get lost twat).
Capital amassed by inheritance (or corruption) stifles innovation. A large fraction of our population are indebted from birth - Original Sin, if you like - while those blessed in the Lamb of inherited wealth, whose main talent is to ignore their privilege, throw tantrums about the tardiness of the server bringing their caviar.
(Score: 1, Disagree) by khallow on Friday January 27 2023, @01:59PM (3 children)
Truth is an absolute defense against such accusations.
And of course, nothing relevant to the thread. Typical class warfare bullshit. UBI wouldn't solve such problems since the rich would still be richer and have that attitude, and the clueless could still borrow more money than they can afford.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Saturday January 28 2023, @06:32PM (2 children)
Only when the one presenting said truth is believed.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday January 28 2023, @07:45PM (1 child)
Because truth is only true when it's "believed"? Well, I believe it. Box is checked.
(Score: 2) by hendrikboom on Saturday January 28 2023, @09:13PM
Truth that is not believed will not convince.
Truth that is not believed may, however, kill.
(Score: 0, Troll) by khallow on Friday January 27 2023, @01:55PM (3 children)
Nothing is technically out of control yet. And sorry, with all these controls on capital (including a bunch of market based ones), I don't buy that it'll be the first to go out of control.
Nonsense. The post I replied to was a real, brazen straw man. They even capitalized Capital. Here's the obvious rebuttal to that post. If the rich really were as bad as that poster claimed, then why would we want to make everyone else like them via UBI? There's inherent contradictions in a lot of these narratives that happen because people aren't thinking, just like that poster was.
(Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday January 29 2023, @09:30PM (2 children)
"We" do not want to make "everyone else like [the rich]" via UBI you disingenuous little shit. "We" want people not to have to fucking worry about homelessness, death by freezing in an unheated home, or lack of food via UBI. Go to Hell.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by khallow on Sunday January 29 2023, @09:43PM (1 child)
Well, I guess the original poster shouldn't have written:
On your post:
Given that most people don't have to fucking worry about homelessness, death by freezing in an unheated home, or lack of food, I'm going with needs-based entitlements as being better tools. Particularly I bet we'll still see a lot of people make the sort of bad decisions, like borrowing against their UBI income for frivolous stuff, that will cause such worries.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday January 30 2023, @04:26AM
You really have no idea how bad it is in this country do you? Shut up and go away already. You don't know what you're talking about, as usual.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...