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But Springer Nature, which publishes thousands of scientific journals, says it has no problem with AI being used to help write research — as long as its use is properly disclosed:
Springer Nature, the world's largest academic publisher, has clarified its policies on the use of AI writing tools in scientific papers. The company announced this week that software like ChatGPT can't be credited as an author in papers published in its thousands of journals. However, Springer says it has no problem with scientists using AI to help write or generate ideas for research, as long as this contribution is properly disclosed by the authors.
"We felt compelled to clarify our position: for our authors, for our editors, and for ourselves," Magdalena Skipper, editor-in-chief of Springer Nature's flagship publication, Nature, tells The Verge. "This new generation of LLM tools — including ChatGPT — has really exploded into the community, which is rightly excited and playing with them, but [also] using them in ways that go beyond how they can genuinely be used at present."
[...] Skipper says that banning AI tools in scientific work would be ineffective. "I think we can safely say that outright bans of anything don't work," she says. Instead, she says, the scientific community — including researchers, publishers, and conference organizers — needs to come together to work out new norms for disclosure and guardrails for safety.
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(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday February 03 2023, @05:11PM (11 children)
Chat GPT may be only a mere tool to you, but it is going to replace humans in all important fields of human endeavor. Especially the most important things from software developers to reality TV show stars. This is because Chat GPT’s confidence in its answers more than makes up for any lack of accuracy in those answers. No new human creativity or insight will ever again be necessary because Chat GPT can simply re-hash the distilled wisdom of the materials it was trained on. Similarly no new computer code will ever be needed because bits and scraps of existing code can be stitched together in meaningless ways to somehow perform all possible software tasks that may be necessary in the future. I know this to be true because a machine told me sew. I always believe anything a machine tells me. And you should too!
I am reminded of an ancient Star Trek pilot that was made at a time when people lived like 20th century savages without the internet and some people still have black and white TV. In this episode there was an underground civilization that had forgotten how to repair the ancient machines they depended on that were built by their ancestors. Obviously their ancestors had elegant weapons from a more civilized age.
If you have a disagreement with someone, don't resort to arson. That only inflames the situation.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday February 03 2023, @05:22PM (4 children)
Chat GPT is a mere tool, it is going to replace humans in all unimportant fields of human endeavor.
If Chat GPT does it better, why are we wasting our lives trying to compete? Humans used to prepare the fields for planting by hand, then they made tools to make it easier, then they harnessed animal power to pull tools like a plough, then they employed the internal combustion engine in tractors to replace the animals, and now we have all manner of automated farm equipment. Growing food is an important endeavor, but the direct preparation of the field is not an important field of human endeavor.
The real question is: social upheaval. How are the rich going to remain rich if they can't keep the poor masses working for a living?
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(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Friday February 03 2023, @08:56PM (3 children)
Tools have ALWAYS replaced humans and animals, from the steam engine to the steam shovel to the computer (see Hidden Figures, about human computers and NASA). One steam shovel put a hundred laborers out of work.
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(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday February 03 2023, @09:52PM (2 children)
And, is manually digging a hole that a steam shovel can dig "important" human endeavor?
The problem I see is: people have flocked to "simple" jobs in droves. Job descriptions like: "All you have to do is memorize all this, then execute the decision tree we've laid out for you." Those jobs are toast.
Problem solving, analytical thinking, coloring outside the lines, those are still "important" human endeavors... "Hello and thank you for calling MegaCorp, how may I direct your call?" not so much.
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(Score: 2) by mcgrew on Saturday February 04 2023, @04:17PM (1 child)
And, is manually digging a hole that a steam shovel can dig "important" human endeavor?
It was before that steam shovel was invented. It's the only way they could build bridges and such for thousands of years, and to any human except the very rich, getting a paycheck is the most important of endeavors. That steam shovel cost fifty laborers their jobs and further enriched their employer, but its invention was still a worthy endeavor.
The problem I see is: people have flocked to "simple" jobs in droves. ...Problem solving, analytical thinking, coloring outside the lines, those are still "important" human endeavors...
When the simple job pays as well as the complex job, you'll have that. That's why pure communism can't work on a large scale, although it can in a tribal setting. Then there's the fact that some people are simply not smart enough to design that new bridge and have to dig the foundation.
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(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Saturday February 04 2023, @07:55PM
>any human except the very rich, getting a paycheck is the most important of endeavors.
I think I started this off with social upheaval being the biggest challenge...
>some people are simply not smart enough to design that new bridge and have to dig the foundation.
For well over 100 years, most bridges can be selected from a catalog, all you need to do is provide proper foundations to set them on, and the steam shovel and it's successors have dug those foundations.
We do, however, have a lot more telephone customer assistants than in 1800, that may change with this latest advance.
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(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday February 03 2023, @05:27PM (5 children)
>No new human creativity or insight will ever again be necessary because Chat GPT can simply re-hash the distilled wisdom of the materials it was trained on.
I don't know about you, but my 30+ year career in R&D has been predicated on "boldly doing things that have not been done before." Sure, we leverage and reuse existing knowledge wherever possible, but it's the application of that existing knowledge to do new things that's always been valuable to my employers.
Looking at my current employer, with 100K+ employees, the big visible activity is humans constantly rearranging (proceduralizing, standardizing, etc.) how humans do things. ChatGPT should be much easier to manage, in that respect. But, in the fields of new endeavor, try asking ChatGPT how to create a practical stable exothermic fusion reaction.
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(Score: 2) by DannyB on Friday February 03 2023, @05:30PM
I did not use any <no-sarcasm> tags. :-)
If you have a disagreement with someone, don't resort to arson. That only inflames the situation.
(Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Friday February 03 2023, @05:42PM
Completion remains an exercise left to the humans:
Creating a practical, stable exothermic nuclear fusion reaction for electricity generation is a challenging scientific and engineering task that is currently an active area of research. No viable commercial solution exists yet.
The basic idea is to contain a plasma of fusion fuels (usually hydrogen isotopes such as deuterium and tritium) at high temperature and pressure so that the fusion reactions can occur. The most widely studied fusion reaction is deuterium-tritium fusion, which releases a large amount of energy in the form of high-speed neutrons. These neutrons can then be captured to produce heat, which can be converted into electricity using a steam turbine.
To achieve fusion conditions, the plasma must be heated to tens of millions of degrees and maintained in a confined state for a sufficient length of time to allow a significant number of fusion reactions to occur. This is typically done using magnetic confinement, where magnetic fields are used to contain the plasma and prevent it from touching the walls of the containment vessel. One example of a magnetic confinement device is a tokamak, which uses magnetic fields to confine the plasma in a toroidal shape.
While significant progress has been made in magnetic confinement fusion, many technical challenges remain, including maintaining a high plasma pressure and temperature for a sufficient length of time, developing materials that can withstand the harsh conditions of the plasma environment, and improving the overall efficiency of the energy conversion process.
In summary, creating a practical, stable exothermic nuclear fusion reaction for electricity generation is a complex and ongoing research effort that requires significant scientific and engineering innovations.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 03 2023, @09:14PM (2 children)
Well let me tell you... ;) My 25+ year career in R&D has been characterized by people unable to come up with clever ideas or do serious experimental work being promoted into managerial positions, and then imposing the very thing that blocked them onto others. Namely: discipline, punishment, rules, hierarchy. All these things plainly fail to generate ideas or productive communities, but on the other hand they do generate feelings of superiority and narcissistic supply. Which is the point after all.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by JoeMerchant on Friday February 03 2023, @10:06PM (1 child)
>they do generate feelings of superiority and narcissistic supply. Which is the point after all.
Yeah, I was in a place like that once. Had a two year obligation otherwise I'd have to pay them back for the (6+ months' salary) moving expenses they fronted to get me there. Not specifically because of that time limit, but kinda coincidentally a whole lot of factors came together which saw me leaving that place 2 years and 5 months after I started.
My favorite episode there was: proposed "improvement" to the product, I point out that the existing "unimproved" state presents an important test of a rare, but potentially deadly reaction to the product and it currently is performing that test in a well controlled environment with all kinds of support to recover if the 1/700 "bad thing" happens to be particularly bad in this case. In the "improved" product, that test now comes in a not-so-well-equipped location which could lead to serious freakout and maybe someday a death which could have been prevented in the better equipped environment. So, that 1/700 phenomenon is extremely taboo to speak about within earshot of upper management and several minions come at me with pre-prepared, if inappropriate, rebuttals. To which: I shrug. Y'all know: I came, I saw, I brought it up, you can listen or you can shut me down, but you can't say you never heard or thought of the possibilities.
So, like a month later, one of those minions - of course the one who shouted the loudest that I didn't know what I was talking about, it's all irrelevant, nothing to see here - turns around and picks up all my arguments and starts championing them all around the company as his own ideas. He pulls this shit to my boss right in front of me, my boss remembers very clearly that the whole thing was presented by me, to the core product team, a month ago, so we both sort of snort/grin at him and say: "Yeah, you run with that, sounds really solid to us."
The people above Mr. Idea Smuggler were worse, orders of magnitude worse.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 04 2023, @04:39AM
I think the abrupt about-face done in a convincing manner is what distinguishes them to the upper tier. If you can't lie to my face convincingly, then you aren't going to make it 'round here.