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Devuan and I got off to a bad start. The first link I clicked to their site was flagged by Firefox as possibly malicious. Continuing to their home page brought me to what would have been considered campy even in the 90s. I suspected a scam, or at least rank amateurism, and figured a short life for the project.
They recently released an "update on the progress of the Devuan.org," and I took a second look, especially at their finances.
The finances of the Devuan project are administered by the Dyne.org foundation, an international organization based in Amsterdam.
Dyne.org commits to financial transparency and will publish financial reports for this project, keeping them updated every year.
Their current financial report for 2014 is available as a pdf download.
Surprisingly, with all the anti-systemd trolling out there that they could cash in on, they're instead taking the high road.
We must not become acquainted to the fact that systemd discussions are swarmed by trolls fostering aggressive behaviour and personalized attacks of sorts. With the Devuan project and its early Debianfork declaration we did our best to avoid such dynamics, to bring forward a constructive discussion and action plan to respond to the systemd avalanche with technical analyses and solutions.
We kindly ask the community gathering around Devuan to take us seriously on this and avoid aggressive behaviour. Everyone should use extra attention when engaging criticism and in any case avoid any personalization, but stick to facts.
Their open professionalism is impressive. We could be seeing the birth of the next major player in Linux.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by NotSanguine on Wednesday December 24 2014, @02:55AM
They may have good things behind the scenes.. but their website and general image is somewhere between a Harley Davidson site and a creepy stalker page.
If you support the ideas behind the efforts of these folks, why don't you redesign their web presence for them?
Or if you don't have that skill set, perhaps you consider reticence rather than bitch about these folks lacking skills you yourself don't possess.
Personally, I'm more interested in *what* these folks have to say, rather than how much time, money and effort they put into the design of their web presence -- resources which are much needed to get, you know, an actual product, out the door.
Or, If you don't support their efforts, why are you trolling? Just sayin'.
That said, it seems to me that the Devuan effort is an excellent idea, and I hope it's quite successful.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by edIII on Wednesday December 24 2014, @05:21AM
The only thing "crappier" than their website is ours. Some people just can't seem to handle a website designed to impart information instead of being an entertainment experience.
From all of the scandalous talk at the top I thought it was going to be really bad. It could be better, but I appreciate that they just put out a simple landing page and reserved their efforts for actual coding and working with the packages.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by sce7mjm on Wednesday December 24 2014, @09:20AM
Indeed I don't do a lot of website design but some hosting...
When I get asked to design or build a site on the cheap, before all the fancy features they want creep in, I make them read this: http://motherfuckingwebsite.com/ [motherfuckingwebsite.com] Probably not safe for work...
I either saw it linked on soylentnews or slashdot but it sums up a lot of my feelings.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 24 2014, @12:25PM
Fabrice Bellard's Home Page [bellard.org]
In case you don't know who Bellard is, he is a very famous computer programmer who has made seminal important contributions to the world of computing.
At his homepage, you will also see a link titled "Best Viewed With Any Browser"; click on it and go to that site, it's a very informative read which goes into much technical detail about important web design concepts which help to keep the internet free open and accessible to everyone, irrespective of current trends and fashions.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Arik on Wednesday December 24 2014, @10:25AM
Hopefully they would have the sense to say 'no' if he offers. Their web page is fine. Hipster douches that think web-pages are so 90s and want to lock everything back up in webapps are part of the problem, not the solution.
If laughter is the best medicine, who are the best doctors?
(Score: 2) by arashi no garou on Wednesday December 24 2014, @01:01PM
"But but but webapps are so easy! Wordpress and Bootstrap turned me into a web developer! Yay!"
Give me Geany or Notepad++ and an FTP client and I can build a responsive and functional website in a couple of hours. And I'm about as far from "web developer" as it gets; I'm a hardware guy.