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After the baffling disappearance in March of Flight MH370, critics accused the aviation industry of "dithering" over equipping jets with real-time tracking systems. Now, with another passenger plane lost, the call for action is becoming more insistent.
Tracking aircraft by satellite and live-streaming of black box data were cited as top priorities by industry insiders after the disappearance of Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 with 239 people on board. Its fate remains a mystery despite a long underwater search west of Australia. Members of the International Civil Aviation Organization (ICAO)—the UN's aviation body—agreed in the aftermath of the incident to mandate real-time tracking.
But they did not set a timeline as airlines mulled the additional costs involved. Many carriers have been losing money for years. Now, with the apparent loss of AirAsia Flight QZ8501 on Sunday off Indonesia, the calls for immediate changes have returned with vehemence.
http://phys.org/news/2014-12-airasia-fuels-real-time-tracking.html
[Related]: http://www.airtrafficmanagement.net/2014/12/iata-no-silver-bullet-solution-on-tracking-in-wake-of-mh370/
(Score: 2) by Alfred on Tuesday December 30 2014, @10:36PM
Is there cell coverage there?
Are the disapperances connected?
Did they learn from the last two and decide to scatter some stuff to find this time?
Could the planes be in flyable condition somewhere?
Were there any Motorola engineers or Patent Holders on Board?
Where did the planes really go?
Were the transponders disabled like on 9/11?
Wouldn't any other tracker be disabled also?
Can I avoid flying to SE Asia?
Am I a conspiricay theorist? Maybe. That is just as plausable as the possible answers you don't like.
Why does nobody go after this stuff? Because they would lose their job.
C'mon guys, the kool aid is tasty... er, something about a hat?
(Score: 2) by frojack on Tuesday December 30 2014, @10:53PM
Why do these things keep disappearing in that area?
Is there cell coverage there?
Have you bothered to look at a map?
How far is cell coverage from 100 meters deep in the ocean?
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Tuesday December 30 2014, @11:47PM
Some poor or unordered countries have problems with keeping their airlines in order. Flying over war zones, pushing pilots, using Airbus with known pilot tube (wind speed) defects, or just plain bad weather.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Wednesday December 31 2014, @12:56AM
Some poor or unordered countries have problems with keeping their airlines in order.
Flying over war zones
The week of MH17, the following airlines (not exhaustive) flew over the Ukraine
* Lufthansa (Germany)
* Singapore
* Thai
* Air India
* Jet (India)
* Qatar
* Emirates (UAE)
* United (USA)
* Virgin (UK)
* FedEx (USA)
There's a skew towards SEA, India and European carriers for obvious geographical reasons -- Ukraine isn't on the flight path for many flights from the U.S or Japan.
pushing pilots
http://www.bostonglobe.com/news/nation/2014/02/21/pilots-reported-fatigue-erred-ups-jet-crash/pEu9NkHAqHklDk5swrCA5J/story.html [bostonglobe.com]
"WASHINGTON — The pilots of a UPS cargo jet that crashed last August complained about the company’s tiring work schedules at the start of the fatal flight, and then made errors shortly before the plane flew into a hillside and burst into flames, according to information presented at a hearing Thursday."
or just plain bad weather.
Countries with flights crashing during bad weather in the last 10 years:
Lao, Congo, Pakistan, Russia, Thailand, Iraq. It's not exactly common.
using Airbus with known pilot tube (wind speed) defects
I'm not aware the A320 family has any such known defects, but I'll be sure to tell the U.S. pilot on US588 on Sunday about it.
Of the 3 major plane incidents this year, 2 were Boeing, 1 was airbus.
U.S. carriers with Airbus planes:
AA (+US), Delta, United, Jet Blue, Spirit. In fact the only U.S. national airline I could find without a sizeable airbus fleet was Alaska.
(Score: 3, Informative) by kaszz on Wednesday December 31 2014, @01:16AM
Did those airline companies fly over the eastern part of Ukraine?
That UPS does some bad mistakes is perhaps something that won't kill many passengers..
Bad weather means avoiding flights in some regions at specific times. Or when bad weather is announced. Some areas just suffer way more from this than others.
According to a previous article comment [soylentnews.org]:
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Wednesday December 31 2014, @09:38AM
An a330 is to an a320 as a 777 is to a 757
And yes all those airlines flew over Donetsk.far more were flying over Isis occupied Iraq.
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Wednesday December 31 2014, @05:36PM
"far more were flying over Isis occupied Iraq"
Airlines seems reckless..
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Wednesday December 31 2014, @12:30AM
Why do these things keep disappearing in that area?
Which area? MH370 went wrong over 1,200 miles away. 1200 miles is a large area, about the size of the contiguous U.S. [gcmap.com]
MH17 went wrong about 5,000 miles away from MH370, which is the same as saying that Washington and Moscow are "in the same area"
Is there cell coverage there?
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=a%20map [lmgtfy.com]
You're asking if there's cell coverage 50 miles off shore? No, GSM doesn't work that way.
Are the disapperances connected?
Yes, MH17, MH370, and QZ8501 were all planes, and all had bad things happen in 2014. 2 of them were owned by a malaysian firm. The other was sort-of mostly-partially owned by a malaysian firm.
Did they learn from the last two and decide to scatter some stuff to find this time?
MH17 had plenty to find, as it was shot down over a field. Journalists were picking through luggage live on TV :(
Could the planes be in flyable condition somewhere?
Yes, http://www.channelnewsasia.com/blob/1270024/1405628401000/mh17-crash8-data.jpg [channelnewsasia.com]
Were there any Motorola engineers or Patent Holders on Board?
On a budget airline flight from a secondary Indonesian city to the regional hub at 5AM? Yes, sounds like just the type of plane that high fliying execs would take.
Where did the planes really go?
MH17 ended up in a field in eastern ukraine. By all means argue if it was shot down by Russia, Ukrainian Rebels, Ukraine, or the U.S, but it was shot down.
QZ8501 ended up at the bottom of the sea near Borneo.
God knows about MH370, most likely in the indian ocean.
Were the transponders disabled like on 9/11?
Are you still beating your wife?
Wouldn't any other tracker be disabled also?
Can I avoid flying to SE Asia?
No, it's a law that nutters have to fly to south east asia.
Am I a conspiricay theorist?
Do you even need that answered?
That is just as plausable as the possible answers you don't like.
What don't I like? A massive global conspiracy involving multiple nations, thousands of people, and it's all been kept hidden by the lamestream media, and the truth is only known to a few basement-dwelling lardarses?
Why does nobody go after this stuff? Because they would lose their job.
Yes, there's noone willing to go after this stuff because they'd lose their job. Manning, Assange, Snowden, they all kept quiet because they were worried about losing their jobs..