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Journal by Azuma Hazuki
Tolerance Is Not A Moral Precept.
This is a thorough once-over giving the lie to the "conservatives'" self-serving bullshit squealing that "Butbutbutbutbut if you don't tolerate my intolerance you're a hypocrite!" The short version, as put forth in the article, is this: tolerance is a peace treaty, not a suicide pact.
Put another way, it's social technology, just like laws. It allows us, in an ever-more-connected global society, to exist and function. Like a treaty it covers those, and only those, who are party to it.
This means that if you're a genocidal fucking psychopath then no, Virginia, we do not have to "tolerate" your unhinged ramblings. You are cancer in the body politic. You have gleefully ripped your human card to shreds and dropped the pieces in an incinerator, cackling like a hyena on PCP at how you have "owned the libs." You have placed yourselves outside the treaty. We are not obligated to put up with your shit.
tl;dr: if you can't behave like a civilized human being, don't be surprised when you get treated like a rabid animal. Read and be better, or don't, it's your choice, but don't bitch when you get your find-outs.
This is a thorough once-over giving the lie to the "conservatives'" self-serving bullshit squealing that "Butbutbutbutbut if you don't tolerate my intolerance you're a hypocrite!" The short version, as put forth in the article, is this: tolerance is a peace treaty, not a suicide pact.
Put another way, it's social technology, just like laws. It allows us, in an ever-more-connected global society, to exist and function. Like a treaty it covers those, and only those, who are party to it.
This means that if you're a genocidal fucking psychopath then no, Virginia, we do not have to "tolerate" your unhinged ramblings. You are cancer in the body politic. You have gleefully ripped your human card to shreds and dropped the pieces in an incinerator, cackling like a hyena on PCP at how you have "owned the libs." You have placed yourselves outside the treaty. We are not obligated to put up with your shit.
tl;dr: if you can't behave like a civilized human being, don't be surprised when you get treated like a rabid animal. Read and be better, or don't, it's your choice, but don't bitch when you get your find-outs.
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Agnes' Law:
Almost everything in life is easier to get into than out of.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28, @10:07AM (55 children)
So, there are two classes of felonies, those committed by the intolerant bigots and those committed by the tolerant progressives. Great doublethink. The road to perdition is wide and slippery.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 28, @11:09AM (42 children)
I think you may have missed an important point in the article. Progressives are people, so they must be tolerated. Conservatives are monsters, so we need not be tolerated.
I'm going to pray that Darth Zunger and Darth Hazuki don't further alter the deal!! /sarcasm
Funny that Zunger cites Westphalia, while making a case that there can be no peace with the monsters.
There is a small chance that I'm being unfair to Zunger here. Perhaps I should find out exactly who and what he means when he talks about Nazis. Does he use the term like Antifa uses it, or does he use the term to only include genuine Nazis and neoNazis?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by digitalaudiorock on Friday April 28, @01:30PM (35 children)
When you act like bigoted fucks, yes exactly. It's not that fucking complicated.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by digitalaudiorock on Friday April 28, @01:46PM (12 children)
It's all really very similar to issues around constitutional rights. The notion of "tolerating intolerance" makes no more sense than allowing someone the "constitutional right" to infringe on other's constitutional rights...another tactic that's popular on the right these days. Again, not that complicated for anyone with a few brain cells to rub together.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by digitalaudiorock on Friday April 28, @02:37PM (3 children)
Whoever modded these as Troll can seriously just fuck off and fucking die...seriously. Everything I said is the simple truth.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday April 28, @03:31PM (2 children)
I modded both of those back up +1 Insightful because...well, that's what they are. And it's sad that such a simple thing is a radical insight these days but there you go.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 4, Insightful) by digitalaudiorock on Friday April 28, @04:21PM (1 child)
Thanks. Maybe you have the stomach to reply to Runaway's insane post below about how it's somehow like Hitler to "dehumanize" him by not tolerating his bigotry. I just don't have it in me to bother.
Funny thing really. He and I probably aren't in very different demographics generally...though I'm actually older. I'm an old, white, heterosexual, male from a very conservative family, so WASP that we trace back to the Mayflower. Yet somehow he manages to make me somewhat ashamed to be a human being.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 01, @01:13AM
The whole point of such trolling is to exhaust patience, attention, your willingness to communicate and to demotivate you in general. That is a reason why the otherwise idiotic and inane things they do are their first option. They don't want to communicate; they want to win.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday April 29, @06:08PM (5 children)
Is that latter even a real thing? After all, there's that conservative rhetoric to the contrary like "the right to swing your fist ends at my nose." My bet is that it's the usual problem - people disagreeing on whether rights were being violated in the first place.
(Score: 4, Interesting) by digitalaudiorock on Sunday April 30, @02:56PM (4 children)
The primary example that comes to mind is quite relevant to this journal actually. That's the idea that someone's freedom of religion allows them to discriminate against the LGBTQ community. The right loves that flawed argument for sure.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 30, @04:29PM (3 children)
How were they discriminating? For example, the classic cases (here [cnn.com] and here [cnn.com]) are the wedding cake lawsuits where state regulators attempted to punish bakers for refusing to write messages on their cakes that were counter to their religious beliefs (violating two parts of the First Amendment - freedom of speech and freedom of religion). There, I agree with the results. It really is worse than discrimination to force people to say things that are counter to deeply held beliefs.
You don't have that same problem with the usual avenues of discrimination. There's no constitutional right violated in the workplace when you're hiring people or evaluating their job performance. Or when you serve people in a business. I'm sure somebody feels otherwise about it, but it's straight-forward just the same.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30, @05:36PM (2 children)
See "everything in Florida and Texas"
And u wondr y ppl yhink u argue in bad faith
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 30, @07:25PM (1 child)
I doubt you're one of those people.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 02, @05:49PM
Nazi sez wut?
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30, @03:02AM (1 child)
It's called "State's Rights!" Like the right to force a woman to carry to term, force people to work for you for free (slavery) or without a right to organize (Right-to-work, for less). The South will lose Again!
Punching Nazis in the face is not violence, it is educational, and performed with the greatest love for the fellow human who has gone so astray. Poor Runaway!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 06, @12:34AM
But oddly it's not a "State's Rights!" to force people to wear masks during a pandemic. It's not even the right of a private employer to force his employees to be vaccinated. Something about bodily autonomy.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 28, @04:12PM (15 children)
So, you're just fine with dehumanizing people who disagree with you.
Adolph had it right then? Dehumanize the Jews, dehumanize the conservatives, then it's just fine to genocide their asses away.
Kill the monsters!! Kill them! Burn them! Gas them!
Except, it won't work out like you might expect.
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by dalek on Friday April 28, @05:38PM (10 children)
This is particularly ironic coming from you, since you regularly dehumanize people who disagree with you and accuse them of grooming children. A common part of your playbook is that when people disagree with you, you dehumanize them and falsely accuse them of being pedophiles. Here's the evidence:
https://soylentnews.org/~Runaway1956/journal/12155 [soylentnews.org]
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?cid=1291568&sid=53676 [soylentnews.org]
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?cid=1269267&sid=51246 [soylentnews.org]
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?cid=1270975&sid=51246 [soylentnews.org]
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?cid=1291729&sid=53676 [soylentnews.org]
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?cid=1250777&sid=49645 [soylentnews.org]
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?cid=1294926&sid=54053 [soylentnews.org]
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?cid=1248806&sid=49512 [soylentnews.org]
When people want everyone to have equal opportunity regardless of race, you falsely equate that to slavery and wish for the death of 50 million people who disagree with you. Here's the evidence:
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?cid=745579&sid=27952 [soylentnews.org]
Again, you dehumanize people who want racial equality, accusing them of trying to bring back slavery. Then you say that they should all be killed.
According to you, I'm just supposed to tolerate that you want to kill me and send me to Hell. If I don't accept that you want to kill me and send me to Hell for wanting racial equality, you accuse me of being a Nazi who wants to commit genocide.
As libertarians would say, your right to swing your fists ends where my nose begins. I don't have to tolerate the fact that you want to kill me. I am an educator, and I don't have to tolerate the fact that you attack educators like me with false accusations of child grooming. Tolerance doesn't mean accepting that you directly want to inflict harm upon those who disagree with you.
My problem with you isn't that you're from the South or that you're a conservative. My problem with you is that you're a hateful person of low character. If you don't like it, stop being hateful of others and improve your character. I'm not judging you on the basis of stereotypes. I'm judging your actions and using them to discern your character. We can have differences of opinion on a great many issues, but some things are intrinsically evil and should never be tolerated. When you're expressing your support for intrinsically evil ideas, you shouldn't expect others to tolerate it.
EXTERMINATE
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Friday April 28, @06:08PM (9 children)
Utter bullshit. Progressives no longer want "racial equality". You need to go back and look at what they are calling for today. 70 years ago, segregation was a bad thing - today segregation is a good thing. Liberals, and even more, progressives, have made a complete 180 degree turn away from racial equality. They don't want equal treatment in hiring, or education, or much of anything else. Let an Asian get a scholarship ahead of a black person, and all hell breaks loose.
Me? I'm all for racial equality. Have you looked at the demographics today, of people buying firearms, many of them for the first time? Blacks, Asians, gays, females in droves. They understand that although God created man, Sam Colt made men equal.
Meanwhile, 'Zumi posts a link to a story that says you should dehumanize me. Cool. You go along with that. You're happy with it..
Don't tell me about equality - progressives don't want anything that resembles equality.
As for grooming children - what race do groomers belong to?
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28, @06:49PM
Interesting question. Arkansas? The Dugger race? (Funny how waco christian "quivering full" makes for genetic mutation.) We have some projection here.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Friday April 28, @07:18PM (1 child)
You've dehumanized yourself. All I'm doing is pointing and laughing :)
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 04, @07:34AM
Does not one have to be in an initial state of humanity, before one can be "de-humanized"? Asking for a friend (OK, it's Runaway).
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28, @11:21PM (4 children)
Everyone on this site has given you more slack than you deserve. You are a bigot that DELIGHTS in trolling, and a sock puppeter tryimg to artificially sway opinions via mod abuse.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 02, @10:43AM (3 children)
I haven't. I know where the fucker lives.
aristarchus
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 03, @01:09AM (2 children)
Crossing the line and actually doxxing someone makes you just as bad. Repirting to feds and local law enforcement (heh kkkops wouldnt care) is acceptable, but you doxxed someone online. Runaway may be a false bravado old fucker, maybe bad enough to shoot some innocent anTEEfuh innocent, but doxxing is shithead behavior. Fighting the racist asshole on SN isn't going to solve our problems, but nothing will when supposed Christians (and Muslims as offshoots of Judaism like Christianity) are so eager to abandon the very simple 10 commandments with a variety of excuses why hurting others like illegals and "thugs" *dogwhistle* is totally fine and actually god's will /puke
Regardless, you doxxed runaway and continue to threaten. It serves a purpose only to remind runaway of his mortality, to everyone else you're just another violent asshole. SN has problems and does not want to change, deal with it and move on, community has made it pretty clear that rightwing bullshit is not wanted or believed but for a few. Runaway will not suffer further consequences, but his main account is rather tarnished by his own publications.
Move on or chill out, most everyone are quite aware of the problems, but barring community protest for some change there is no point wasting further focus on the vendetta. The zoomers understand CRT, long run we'll be ok if society survives climate change and humanity manages to irradiate its own planet.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 04, @06:44PM (1 child)
SoylentNews admin has never said who it was that was doxxed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 04, @09:32PM
That is SOP for doxxing.
Admins claim the aristarchus account doxxed, and they say the info is still in the database but will not link to it. I recall the aristarchus account posting some kind of doxxing info, are you saying that is false? That the aristarchus account never posted Runawa1956's info? I've seen joke addresses and some that looked real, also Runaway's real name supposedly posted by AC.
I think you're just a vindictive asshole sinking to Runaway's level because the site run by libertarian types refused to ban a degenerate like Runaway1956. I hope the libertarians are figuring out why free speech only protects people from the government, and why those running web forums should clean up users that promote violence and bigotry.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29, @05:07AM
The liberals aren't great, but they're saints next to you.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28, @06:45PM (1 child)
Runaway1956 is making paranoid death threats again! This behavior should not be tolerated. Ban him, now.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 04, @07:38AM
Ban him, twice.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28, @09:32PM
I will just note that Adolph did not dehumanize the Jews because they had the temerity to disagree with him. Instead he thought of them as subhuman because they were...well...Jews. Big difference.
Oh, please! Put away your persecution complex. People think you are a bigot and it is because of the things you yourself have written here on SN. What's the matter, little runaway? Don't like it when people find your views offensive? Suck it up and take it like a man! Or maybe SN is just not the place for you?
(Score: 2) by Tork on Friday April 28, @09:54PM
Do you not read your own journal posts?
🏳️🌈 Proud Ally 🏳️🌈
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28, @06:42PM
Ignorant moron monsters! Total perversions of humanity!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29, @08:31PM (4 children)
Action as bigoted fucks means nothing. Bigotry is about how you stick to your beliefs. So there is no whatsoever correlation between an act by a bigot and an act that interferes with other people's freedoms.
I think we can all agree on the fact that if you interfere with my freedom, I should be able to interfere with yours. But being a bigot does not entail it. And that makes you the fascists.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday April 29, @08:40PM
Oh, don't get me wrong: you can think all the vile shit you want, as long as it stays in your head. The moment you start calling for turning people into second-class citizens, you've crossed the line.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday April 30, @03:34AM (1 child)
No, we don't so agree. There are two problems with that. First, if you're a nutcase, then you may have deluded yourself into something that isn't true - such as the "stop the steal" people or the Jewish space lasers woman. Second, there's a tendency to escalate when reverse violation is the first resort especially among the previously mentioned crazy class. Your dog pooped on my lawn, now I'm trashing your mailbox, now you're slashing my car tires, and now I'm shooting your windows out.
My experience is that rational people normally deal with said interference through more peaceable means first. Sure, if someone is robbing your house while you're sleeping, you shouldn't be expected to talk it out. But most rights interference is mundane and easy to resolve. If a neighborhood kid is playing their music too loud, talk to the parents first. Maybe they don't know that's happening (say the kid does it when the parents are away) and it can be easily fixed without attacking anyone's rights.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 01, @08:07AM
Far too much detail in this for it not to be the actual lived experience of a khallow. Only question that remains, which side of it was he on? Poopy dog? Mailbox? Or Mowing down noisy kids, like a Texan?
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday May 01, @05:28PM
According to the Civil Rights Act being free from discrimination IS my right!
(Score: 5, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Friday April 28, @05:43PM (4 children)
It is not conservatism that we don't tolerate; it is bigotry that we do not tolerate. If modern day conservatives want to be tolerated then they need to end their current obsession with persecuting transgenders and women.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29, @10:10AM (1 child)
Ah, a sentiment I could heartily agree with, if I could moderate. Could the Admin look into why solylentils like me are unable to moderate? Curious situation.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29, @11:42AM
Oh, must be because of all the spam mods! Check! WilcoFlaconTaxidermy!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29, @10:06PM (1 child)
Bigotry is a way of thinking. You may want to reformulate, comrade.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by cmdrklarg on Monday May 01, @06:08PM
It is, and it is unequivocally wrong. I suspect that I wouldn't care for your formula, and that you are no comrade of mine. Good day sir.
Answer now is don't give in; aim for a new tomorrow.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 02, @03:37AM
Hmm, perhaps I'm wrong about this "white race" thing.
It's actually about the conservative race, and their race war with the progressive race.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28, @09:49PM
Yeah... slippery. "I beat him up but my bigotry leading up to it wasn't my fault, it was an accident!"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 15, @06:31PM (10 children)
11 Brand New Biden Family Scandals the Networks Are CENSORING [newsbusters.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 15, @10:57PM
At Least 5 Whistleblowers Come Forward Against Biden Family [breitbart.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 16, @03:48AM (2 children)
"The American Public Was Scammed": Trump Responds After Bomshell Durham Report 'Exonerates' [zerohedge.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 16, @05:32AM (1 child)
JimBob Hunter Biden laptop posts are the very epitome of Spam. Mod accordingly.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 16, @06:46AM
From Special Counsel John Durham? He seems like a fairly reliable source.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 16, @09:37PM
Feds Arrested and Convicted Hunter Biden’s Chinese Business Partner Patrick Ho But Ignored Hunter’s Role in Corruption Case and Even Redacted His Name – Then The Laptop From Hell Pieced It All Together [thegatewaypundit.com]
Feds' Foreign-Corruption Double Standard: They Protected Bidens Even as They Bore Down on Trumpworld [realclearinvestigations.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 16, @11:59PM (1 child)
Media Admits They Lied About That Russia Collusion Thing But Are Totally Telling The Truth About Everything Else [babylonbee.com]
Hillary Clinton: The Only Crime I Ever Committed Was Stealing The Hearts Of The American People! [babylonbee.com]
(Score: 1) by dalek on Thursday May 18, @06:39AM
A lot of the reporting was based on the Steele Dossier, which has been thoroughly debunked for awhile now. Back in 2021, CNN posted a pretty good discussion of the issues with the dossier: https://www.cnn.com/2021/11/18/politics/steele-dossier-reckoning/index.html [cnn.com]. Even so, the Washington Post ran an op-ed harshly criticizing CNN for not drawing more attention to the discrediting of the dossier: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2021/11/23/cnn-steele-dossier-reckoning-stelter/ [washingtonpost.com]. Russia did attempt to interfere in the 2016 election, but the media did fail in corroborating the salacious claims in the dossier, and they should reported this accurately. It's an absolute failure of journalistic ethics. CNN and other outlets that reported on the dossier as if it were credible should be harshly criticized for this. They were wrong.
Here's the problem. We also know the narrative pushed about election fraud in 2020 pushed by outlets like Fox, NewsMax, and OANN was absolutely false. As part of the Dominion lawsuit, Tucker Carlson's text messages were obtained. These messages show that Carlson privately knew claims of election fraud were nonsense. But he went on the air and pushed that narrative anyway. It is a fact that Fox hosts were well aware that claims of fraud in the 2020 election were highly suspect, but reported on them as if they were accurate.
If you're going to criticize media outlets like CNN over their reporting of the Steele Dossier, you need to hold Fox, NewsMax, and OANN to the same standard. Unfortunately, the Babylon Bee has completely failed to be intellectually honest. This probably isn't something you should be quoting as if others should take it seriously.
The Steele Dossier has been thoroughly discredited. It should never have been reported on as if it were credible. It's time to hold Fox, NewsMax, and OANN to the same standard about the 2020 election.
EXTERMINATE
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 18, @06:15PM
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday May 20, @07:39PM
FIVE REVELATIONS IN FIVE DAYS Expose Chris Wray’s FBI as Criminal Enterprise Devoid of Morals and Legitimacy [thegatewaypundit.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 03, @03:58AM
Trove Of Nearly 10K Hunter Biden Laptop Photos, Docs Appear On Organized Website [zerohedge.com]