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Journal by dalek

I've been approached about working on a new privacy policy for SoylentNews and have agreed to do so. This journal is the first step in that process.

SN currently runs on Rehash, which is written in Perl and dates back to Slash 2.0. Many privacy-related considerations in Rehash are dictated by decisions made by the Slashdot admins nearly 25 years ago when they wrote the original code. The age of this code and its dependencies on tools like mod_perl make it nearly unmaintainable, meaning that SN may implement a new code base sooner rather than later. This is a pivotal time to discuss a new privacy policy for SN, an the decisions made now will likely influence the implementation of whichever new code base powers SN in the future.

SN has three primary stakeholders, which are 1) the ownership, 2) the staff, and 3) the community. To be successful, any site policy needs the support of all three of these stakeholders. That means the community needs to be actively engaged in the process.

My first steps will be to solicit input from the SN community and to spend most of my time listening. There are three important questions to discuss:

1) Problems: What privacy-related considerations are important to you, the members of the SN community? What are your concerns? As long as the issues are reasonably relevant to privacy, anything should be on the table here. This includes things like what user data gets stored, how long it is retained, who has access to it, the right to be forgotten, anonymous commenting, and anything that can reasonably be construed as a privacy issue.

2) Process: All three stakeholders must be supportive of any privacy policy for it to be effective. Therefore, once a privacy policy is drafted, we need a process for all three stakeholders to approve this. I anticipate the biggest questions here will be how you, the members of the SN community, get to voice your support or to request amendments to the policy. What process would the community like us to follow for enacting policy? Do all logged-in users get to vote? Does the community elect representatives?

3) Potential Solutions: Once you, the members of the SN community, make your privacy concerns heard, we need potential solutions for those concerns. These solutions will be limited by a few constraints. To allow for robust discussions and make SN a welcoming community, we need the ability to track abuse of the site (e.g., spam comments, sock puppet account creation, gaming the moderation system, etc...) to prevent disruption of the discussions. SN is required to comply with the laws in relevant jurisdictions such as the United States and the state of Delaware. Any solutions have to be practical, given the limited financial and human resources. Working within those constraints, SN policy should go above and beyond what is merely required by law, and to maximize the privacy of the members of the community.

I'll start by posting three journals at least 7-10 days apart to discuss each of these issues. For this journal, I want to focus on the first point, which is what privacy concerns you have, What is important to you, as members of the SN community, and what do we need to address in the new privacy policy? While any discussion of privacy matters is on-topic in this journal, I'd like to try to keep the discussion focused as much as possible on privacy-related problems that we need to address.

There are a few ground rules in this discussion:

1) If you're giving examples of specific privacy concerns, please don't include actual user names or people. Please use hypothetical terms, or use generic names like "person A" and "person B."

2) The new privacy policy is forward looking, meaning that the discussion should focus on how we can be better in the future, and not on holding people responsible for past mistakes or how the existing code is written.

3) Please keep the discussion civil and welcoming. Everyone deserves a chance to participate in this discussion and to be heard. Please keep the discussion constructive and refrain from posting personal attacks. Privacy is for everyone, and that means everyone deserves to be heard. I ask that you please don't try to dominate the discussion or shout other people down, and instead let everyone make their opinions known.

4) Please keep the discussion on-topic. Any privacy-related matters are on-topic, but issues like story selection are beyond the scope of this policy. Let's keep issues like politics out of this discussion, too.

5) Please don't moderate people down unless they're off-topic, trying to dominate the discussion, shouting people down, or posting personal attacks. Even if you disagree with someone else, please don't moderate them down unless they're violating the ground rules for this discussion. I want everyone to be heard.

I pledge that I'll read every comment that you post. My direct input to this discussion will be minimal, and I probably won't post at all except maybe to answer questions or ask for more detail if appropriate. I'm not here to debate with people. I just want to listen to your concerns. Anonymous Cowards are welcome in this discussion, but all comments that I post will be from the dalek account. I have unchecked the "willing to moderate" box in my user preferences, which means that I am not moderating any comments in this discussion. I am just here to listen.

I want to make these discussions as inclusive as possible. That means I intend to allow Anonymous Coward input to all of these journals. In exchange for keeping these discussions open, I ask that you please keep these discussions on track. I will post future journals, but for now, I want to know what your privacy concerns are, and what topics we need to address in the new privacy policy.

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  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 31, @01:08AM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 31, @01:08AM (#1308974)

    That means I intend to allow Anonymous Coward input to all of these journals. In exchange for keeping these discussions open, I ask that you please keep these discussions on track.

    I find your transactional approach amusing. Do you apply the same thinking towards sexual intercourse? Staff are not a stakeholders, they are servants, albeit voluntary ones. Having an Editor who doxxes ACs is not acceptable. Having a system that allows such abuse is even less acceptable.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 01, @11:36PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 01, @11:36PM (#1309345)

    How is this offtopic? Editors violating privacy of ACs is the main issue in this discussion, regardless of what you think.

    • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Friday June 02, @06:19AM (4 children)

      by janrinok (52) on Friday June 02, @06:19AM (#1309401) Journal

      2) The new privacy policy is forward looking, meaning that the discussion should focus on how we can be better in the future, and not on holding people responsible for past mistakes or how the existing code is written.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02, @07:47PM (3 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 02, @07:47PM (#1309465)

        It would be more helpful for you to add ideas on how to give the community transparency on site operations, or some level of trust. Here are two.

        1. Make moderations public. Not great because it would add to community drama and maybe discourage downmodding, but then mod abuse would be easier to see. Run polls to get community feedback on whether someone's mod history is abusive.

        2. Make the spam moderation report page public, spam mods cause real IP bans and karma hits, make someone stand behind their decisions and make it easier for anyone that cares to monitor for abuse.

        Got anything useful besides victim blaming?

        • (Score: 3, Touché) by janrinok on Saturday June 03, @06:06AM (2 children)

          by janrinok (52) on Saturday June 03, @06:06AM (#1309532) Journal

          It would also encourage retaliation by those who have been moderated adversely, and by their friends and/or alternative accounts.

          In the last few weeks I have been contacted by several community members who have had to change their account nickname and uid because of 'account stalking'.

          Some community members in the recent past have left quoting the harrassment that they are receiving as being the cause.

          • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 03, @07:04AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday June 03, @07:04AM (#1309548)

            It would also encourage retaliation by those who have been moderated adversely, and by their friends and/or alternative accounts.

            You say this as if it was not what is already occuring, or as if it would be a bad thing. I am going to spam mod this post, because it seems like something aristarchus would post, to sew disruption and malarky on SoylnetNews.

          • (Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 05, @09:14AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 05, @09:14AM (#1309874)

            Take a look at aristarchus' pentultimate journal entries, when janrinok initiated the mod-bombing upon him. Cowards always want to work in the shadows. Assignable moderations is a good idea. Then we will know when it is janrinok downmodding, and claiming it is the nebulous "community".