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SpaceX is attempting a huge feat in spacecraft engineering. It is seeking to land the first stage of its Falcon 9-R rocket on a floating platform at sea. Normally this would end up at the bottom of the ocean. If successful, SpaceX will shake the rocket launch market, by shaving millions of dollars off launch costs.
Today’s rockets are one shot wonders. They burn up fuel in a few minutes and splash down into terrestrial oceans, having put their payload on the right trajectory. This is wasteful and that is why scientists have dreamed of building reusable launch vehicles.
The holy grail of rocket launchers is a concept referred to as the single stage to orbit (SSTO) vehicle. The idea is to use a reusable launch vehicle (RLV) which has the capability to deliver a payload to orbit, re-enter the Earth’s atmosphere and land, where it can then be refuelled. The process can then be repeated with a short turnaround.
https://theconversation.com/explainer-why-reusable-rockets-are-so-hard-to-make-36036
(Score: 3, Insightful) by VLM on Sunday January 11 2015, @08:37PM
The author in the linked article does a decent job of explaining that its really hard along with a lot of "trust me" because anything other than "trust me" would require math and that is forbidden from mass market articles. Which is too bad.
However... author could have played some games with analogies.
Almost all the money is spent on R+D and oversight and management and analysis, so the one percent or so of hardware costs is a rounding error. So the obvious analogy is its like freaking out about a medical doctor throwing away a used bandaid rather than finding a way to re-use bandages, after thinking about the six figure cost of education and six figure salary a 25 cent band aid isn't very much (also the risks of re-using bandaids is kinda high)
Making them reusable would make them heavy and if cost scales with a high polynomial of mass due not just to material cost but handling and design work, then its cheaper to make a pile of small disposable rockets than to invest the staggering cost of an incredibly heavy reusable rocket until you hit a crossover point. I'm not sure which is a better analogy of the opposite of the disposable condom, either an imaginary re-usable one made of iron pipe pieces from home depot weighing 2 pounds, or getting a vasectomy. In either case, a disposable solution is actually cheaper and more convenient on an overall system basis than the alternative non-wasteful solution.
Finally you could whip out an analogy revolving around paper plates vs finest china. If you know the neighbor brats are going to break about 2% to 5% of all the dishes you give them, the overall cheaper systemic solution is to use paper plates rather than your finest imported collectable china plates. In a world where a reusable vehicle fails and kills everyone on board about 1 in 50 missions while costing far more than twice as much to operate and 100 times as much to develop as non-reusable, its a hard financial sell. Especially when the non-reusable competition fails and kills the crew much less often than 1 in 50 missions. It would be like making re-usable ICBMs or re-usable naval torpedos, it just doesn't make sense once you understand the operating conditions and odds of re-usability. You can be as proud as you want of the theoretical re-usability of the engine in a nuclear ICBM, but its probably not going to get many uses anyway under normal operating conditions, and if it costs 10 to 100 times as much as a non-reusable ICBM engine, you're probably better off using the disposable one time use engine.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by frojack on Sunday January 11 2015, @08:59PM
The author in the linked article does a decent job of explaining that its really hard along with a lot of "trust me" because anything other than "trust me" would require math
Perhaps this is true, but there was a lot of "trust me" in your post as well:
so the one percent or so of hardware costs is a rounding error.
One percent might be the cost of materials, raw steal, aluminium, etc.
But the fabrication and construction costs are significantly higher than that.
Design costs probably can't be avoided. But they are spread over the life of the design, and are going to be there anyway.
So ALL that matters is the total cost to build a new one, vs the total cost to refurbish a used one, plus any putative additional fuel costs to launch a reusable vehicle vs a one shot device.
Early space programs didn't have the ability to recover vehicles, so it pretty much wasn't an issue. The shuttle changed that. Space X changes that. Spaceship One changes that. Return and reuse is going to be the new norm.
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(Score: 4, Informative) by TheRaven on Sunday January 11 2015, @09:45PM
sudo mod me up
(Score: 2) by frojack on Sunday January 11 2015, @09:54PM
Pretty sure both I and VLM addressed refurb costs.
Pretty sure that rocket reputability [nasa.gov] has already been proven. Without teleporters.
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(Score: 2) by frojack on Monday January 12 2015, @05:04AM
sigh... Rocket Reuse-ability
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(Score: 2) by Adamsjas on Sunday January 11 2015, @10:52PM
Ok, I assume you were kidding about the teleporting part.
But If I can play along, why would we teleport rockets down but not up? Of if we had teleporters why would we even have rockets?
(Score: 2) by deimtee on Monday January 12 2015, @10:33AM
I think he was making the point that most rockets wouldn't be re-usable after a single launch, even without the stress of dropping back to earth. He doesn't actually have a teleporter
No problem is insoluble, but at Ksp = 2.943×10−25 Mercury Sulphide comes close.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Sunday January 11 2015, @10:02PM
Something interesting to consider about the design costs, is $0 was spent on reuse design work on the Falcon 1 which puts it at a competitive advantage over a theoretical 1-R where money was spent on re-use.
In the NASA world, things change very slowly, but spacex has already stopped using the Falcon 1, Falcon 9 V1.0, and is almost done launching the Falcon 9 V1.1 and the 9-R will fly "soon ish". Having to keep "antique" reusable Falcon 1's, 9 1.0s and 9 1.1s around for 20 years until a mishap or whatever would be very problematic in the development cycle of the 9-R.
Its interesting that the model T was not the first car, not by any means. It was the first mass produced car in the USA, thats all. Might be that the tech level isn't quite ready for the model T of the space booster world. There were cross country car races 30 years before the first model T rolled off the line.
(Score: 2) by Immerman on Tuesday January 13 2015, @12:03AM
Hell, for that matter there were electric cars competing in races almost 70 years before the model T was designed.
The model T's claim to fame was that it was cheap and reliable enough to be a good investment for members of the middle class. Something that the previous mass-produced Models A, B, C, F, K, N, R, and S had not achieved (and those are only the previous models produced by the Ford Motor Company, which was hardly without competitors)
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Monday January 12 2015, @12:26AM
Given enough launches the re-usable rocket will eventually reach break even. And even if materials get fatigued, perhaps the most valuable parts are the different machines like pumps, steering, nozzle etc.
(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Monday January 12 2015, @05:07AM
The hard part is detecting the fatigue so parts an be replaced before causing a failure.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday January 12 2015, @02:52AM
Actually, manufacturing rocket engines is not cheap. It takes time. That's where most of the savings come from - no need to manufacture the rocket against and again. Base material costs don't matter as much as manufacturing part.
Making them reusable would make them heavy
I think SpaceX is countering that idea already.
Anyway, old rockets were not reusable because guiding them for a landing was simply not practical at all which would increase mass.. Only modern computers make this possible (and I'm talking last 10-years of computers, not last quarter).
(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Monday January 12 2015, @05:11AM
Rocket engine manufacturing costs are coming down though. Hybrid additive / subtractive machines are maturing, and greatly facilitate the production of otherwise difficult geometries in any alloy desired.
The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
(Score: 2) by Immerman on Tuesday January 13 2015, @12:09AM
Actually, I may be mis-remembering, but as I recall the rocket itself is something like 90-95% of the cost of a typical launch. Fuel is another percentage point or two, and the remainder covers the logistical and bureaucratic overhead you're so quick to blame for the majority. Of course that's after the design costs have been amortized over many rockets, but SpaceX doesn't seem to be having too many problems competing, despite refining their designs almost continuously.
(Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday January 13 2015, @12:21PM
Can't get a launch without a launch program. Launch programs are rather expensive.
Something to think about is the raw steel and plastic in a car is always less than $5K often much less, and the factory floor labor is always less than $2K, cars require almost no labor to manufacture. Why any cars cost more than $7K or so is exercise for reader.