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posted by hubie on Tuesday July 18 2023, @10:59AM   Printer-friendly
from the hold-my-beer dept.

https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/07/ohio-bans-doctor-after-botched-surgeries-on-tiktok-threaten-patients-lives/

Yesterday, an Ohio plastic surgeon, Katharine Grawe—who accumulated nearly 15 million likes by livestreaming operations on TikTok as "Doctor Roxy"—was permanently banned from practicing medicine and surgery in Ohio.

The decision came following a November 2022 suspension temporarily barring Grawe from seeing patients after the State Medical Board of Ohio reviewed "clear and convincing evidence" from multiple patients who were harmed during Grawe's livestreamed surgeries. The board decided to suspend Grawe's license, saying that her "continued practice presents a danger of immediate and serious harm to the public."

Related: (Don't do dumb things while operating. Sure doesn't help, if you screw things up and it's all on video either.)
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  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 19 2023, @06:03AM (7 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 19 2023, @06:03AM (#1316793) Homepage Journal

    You said "than guns kill", so why wouldn't you include suicides and accidents in that? It's still the gun that's ending the person's life. If you meant "than mass shooter events" or something, then say that.

    Well, guns don't kill. They lie inert on a shelf, or in a safe, or under the bed, until someone picks them up, and uses them to kill. But, I did mean that doctors end more lives in a year, than shooters end in a decade. GVA overinflates "gun deaths" by quite a lot. There are not 40,000 Americans killed with guns every year. FBI statistics are far more believable. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2019/crime-in-the-u.s.-2019/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8.xls [fbi.gov] https://cde.ucr.cjis.gov/LATEST/webapp/#/pages/explorer/crime/shr [cjis.gov]

    The FBI shows that "gun deaths" peaked in 2020, just under 18,000. Years previous and after were under 15,000. So, the craziest year in recent history is less than half of what GVA claims.

    To answer your question more directly: suicides are mental health problems, not properly classed under crimes of violence. Accidents aren't generally crimes either. The real concern when people start talking about "gun deaths" or "gun violence" or whatever, is properly criminal offenses using firearms against innocent victims. But, no matter whether we include suicides and accidents, there simply aren't as many people killed as GVA claims.

    Your link to McGill is interesting, and food for thought. I've never done any research on medical malpractice, maybe I shouldn't make such a bold claim. But, on the other hand, many people have access to accurate gun violence statistics, but instead, choose to inflate numbers insanely. When it comes to bold, unsupported claims, the anti-Second Amendment crowd wins first place.

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  • (Score: 2) by PiMuNu on Wednesday July 19 2023, @03:21PM

    by PiMuNu (3823) on Wednesday July 19 2023, @03:21PM (#1316867)

    > Well, guns don't kill. They lie inert on a shelf, or in a safe, or under the bed, until someone picks them up, and uses them to kill.

    Nonetheless, the homicide rate in the US is way higher than in other countries having equivalent GDP, e.g. comparing US to UK:

    https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/homicide-rate [ourworldindata.org]

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_guns_and_homicide [wikipedia.org]

    There is good evidence that a significant number of those homicides are committed using guns, and hence it is highly likely that an reducing the number of guns would reduce the homicide rate. I can't prove that statement, of course.

    One might argue that there are other ways to fight the homicide rate that are more effective than illegalisation of guns, such as:
    * better education
    * better healthcare
    * better social care/welfare

  • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday July 19 2023, @05:41PM (1 child)

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday July 19 2023, @05:41PM (#1316891) Journal

    Right, counting death certificates is totally flawed.

    People are constantly mentioning to the hospital, falsely, that the injury was related to getting shot because we all know how much easier that makes everything!

    • (Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday July 19 2023, @10:22PM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday July 19 2023, @10:22PM (#1316916) Homepage Journal

      You do have something of a point. When the FBI says that x number of people died, they can point to x number of death certificates. Gun Violence Archive only has news articles to cite, which may or may not be accurate. GVA never actually looks at anything like a factual document.

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  • (Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday July 20 2023, @02:39AM (3 children)

    by Tork (3914) on Thursday July 20 2023, @02:39AM (#1316928)

    suicides are mental health problems, not properly classed under crimes of violence.

    The reason they're counted is because in many cases people prevented from attempting suicide (or the attempt fails) end up living out the rest of their lives. Sometimes people need to be kept away from the opportunity. I knew a kid, for example, that got high at a party and claimed his head was bulletproof. He was twelve, and he proved his assertion wrong in a way that traumatized his best friend. (i only heard about it in passing and i had bad dreams for a while.) From some discussions I've had since I think his death was categorized as a suicide.

    The gun debate is about saving lives, and in this sort of context those deaths are preventable. So... yeah, they get counted regardless of the myriad of ways you attempt to word-smith them away. "Those numbers don't count" is not a productive argument. Even if it were you ain't gettin' the USA's high score low enough to do the absolute nothing about it that you desire.

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    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 20 2023, @03:07AM (2 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 20 2023, @03:07AM (#1316930) Homepage Journal

      to do the absolute nothing about it that you desire.

      WHOA! Just whoa, right there. What ever gave you the idea that I want to do "nothing" about crime and violence? Do you take me for a Democrat?

      Some steps that would make a dent in both crime and violence are:

      1. Woke prosecutors stop giving a pass to a dirt bag who happens to be of the correct complexion.
      2. ALL prosecutors stop giving a pass to wealthy dirtbags.
      3. Stop the nonsense of decades-long imprisonment for non-violent victimless crimes.
      4. Prevent dangerous inmates from going free. Penalties for heinous crimes are simply not harsh enough.
      5. Close down all those "gun free" zones. They don't work, and in fact, they attract the crazies who want to harm people.
      6. Just eliminate all the laws that prevent law-abiding citizens from acquiring and carrying their weapon of choice. Again, the laws don't work, because violent criminals and gang bangers still get THEIR weapons.
      7. The media voluntarily stop giving the 'fifteen minutes of fame' to every crazy bastard who performs a heinous act.

      And, someone needs to help me understand why being murdered by bludgeoning is any more humane than being shot. Murder is murder. The elimination of personal weapons only ensures that the strongest person can enforce his will on weaker people. God made man, Sam Colt made men equal.

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      • (Score: 2) by Tork on Thursday July 20 2023, @03:39AM (1 child)

        by Tork (3914) on Thursday July 20 2023, @03:39AM (#1316933)

        WHOA! Just whoa, right there. What ever gave you the idea that I want to do "nothing" about crime and violence?

        "6. Just eliminate all the laws that prevent law-abiding citizens from acquiring and carrying their weapon of choice. Again, the laws don't work, because violent criminals and gang bangers still get THEIR weapons."

        ^^ You said more than you had intended to, here. Your entire angle is about keeping your guns, all other concerns are secondary. Your uneven zeal to protect the lives of children is hurting you.

        ...help me understand why being murdered by bludgeoning is any more humane than being shot.

        Okay. If being whacked is exactly the same then the good news is there are a variety of alternative weapons you can defend your home with! They never jam and there's no ammo to buy!

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        • (Score: 1) by Runaway1956 on Thursday July 20 2023, @11:04AM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday July 20 2023, @11:04AM (#1316976) Homepage Journal

          Your entire angle is about keeping your guns,

          No, the entire angle is about ending senseless violence. And, if there is to be violence, I want to tilt the odds in favor of the innocent. Seriously, if someone is going to die today, it really ought to be the violent criminal, not the person the criminal intends to victimize.

          That is something the Eloi just can't understand.

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