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The religious and cultural tensions the West faces are "payback" for slavery and colonialism, a Chinese state-run newspaper said Tuesday in the wake of the Islamist attack on Charlie Hebdo magazine.
The editorial in the Global Times newspaper — which often takes a nationalistic tone — dismissed the weekend's huge marches in Paris and elsewhere as "painkillers" that cannot halt the intensifying "clash of civilizations".
http://mg.co.za/article/2015-01-13-west-facing-payback-for-colonialism-china-paper
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I'm sorry, but my karma just ran over your dogma.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by compro01 on Thursday January 15 2015, @06:00AM
I'd say it's more like payback for shortsighted decisions made during the cold war, along with some other decisions dating back to the WW1 era.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 15 2015, @06:21AM
What you say is true, if you add, "going back centuries, and continuing through to today."
The west has been f'ing with the world for a long time, and never stopped. It really amazes me that there isn't more payback.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by frojack on Thursday January 15 2015, @06:31AM
Or even back to the hayday of the British empire [thestudentroom.co.uk].
India, Pakistan, and much of the middle east were under British control or influence, (mostly without huge armies) prior to and after world war 1. And they really didn't wear out their welcome as much as they wore out their treasury.
Their big mistake, and the mistakes of the US in their wake, was extending their area of influence not with their own armies, but those of warlords, who turned into kings. Many of these guys committed more atrocities than the worst of the British or Americans.
No, Islam is at war with Islam. And even Iran [theguardian.com] is afraid of that.
We in the west are just bystanders.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday January 15 2015, @01:00PM
"Islam at war with Islam" is really really oversimplifying it.
If the Maliki government in Iraq had not been absolutely incompetent and corrupt, and the Assad government in Syria hadn't gotten itself into a civil war, ISIS would never have become as powerful as it is. Ditto for Al Qaida in Yemen. What basically happened was people trying to set up their own fiefdoms (mostly for non-religious reasons) saw an opportunity to strike and took it.
The whole Charlie Hebdo attack was almost definitely about Al Qaida in Yemen trying to regain some of its credibility among these kinds of groups by demonstrating it could attack the West.
It isn't really about Islam, and never really has been, except as convenient rhetoric in much the same way the US religious right tends to use Christianity.
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 15 2015, @01:57PM
If the Maliki government in Iraq had not been absolutely incompetent and corrupt, and the Assad government in Syria hadn't gotten itself into a civil war, ISIS would never have become as powerful as it is.
There is more to it than that. Unilaterally dismissing the baathist government after we invaded Iraq was pure hubris. All those trained administrators who were only operating within the parameters of Sadam's society and not committing crimes themselves were key to keeping shit together. Without them, shit fell apart.
Putting baathist military into prison along with al qaeda prisoners was also one of the worst ideas ever since it brought together skills and fanaticism both with a grudge against the new government whoever might have been running it.
We really created a perfect storm of myopic stupidity over there.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Friday January 16 2015, @07:52AM
Putting baathist military into prison along with al qaeda prisoners was also one of the worst ideas ever since it brought together skills and fanaticism both with a grudge against the new government whoever might have been running it.
And for others wondering what this means, apparently ISIS was just an alliance of several "also ran" militias until they started incorporating former Ba'athists into their logistics and chain of command.
(Score: 2) by frojack on Thursday January 15 2015, @11:34PM
It isn't really about Islam, and never really has been.
Really?
Its over thirty years too late to still be touting that theory.
That theory was wrong during the Iran Iraq war, back in 1980.
That theory was wrong during Desert Shield in 1990.
It was wrong in 2001,
Its still wrong today.
When a theory has been wrong for 34 consecutive years, its time to get a new theory.
No, you are mistaken. I've always had this sig.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday January 16 2015, @12:43PM
But the Islam those terrorists invoke is no true Islam! [wikipedia.org]