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posted by hubie on Thursday December 07 2023, @05:37AM   Printer-friendly
from the supply-and-demand dept.

        I decided a few years ago that I was sick of standing in the snow at a gas station waiting for the person inside the building to finish selling that lottery ticket and turn the pump on so I can stand there some more babysitting it while it fills up and I freeze. The answer, of course, was to buy a car that didn't need gasoline, one I could plug into the house and go inside where it's warm.

        I'm not a rich man, I'm a pensioner who is still paying a mortgage, so I looked for an affordable EV. Used ones are almost nonexistent, and I found out why when I finally bought one: it has a ten year warranty. They haven't been making them much longer than that.

        I swore off new cars decades ago when my month old VW stranded me ninety miles from home with a bad alternator, but if you want an EV, new is your only choice. I kept seeing the Chevy Bolt advertised, but could never find one for sale at all. Then I found that they had stopped making them two years earlier.

        Why? Well, battery problems, they claimed. Why just the not so expensive one, $30,000? GM is still selling electric Cadillacs and Corvettes, why no cheap cars?

        I discovered after buying an EV that the only two advantages of a piston car to an electric one are the lack of infrastructure for long trips, and the high purchase price of the vehicle. Why high? Because only their flagship autos have electric motors, the ones that formerly had V8s.

        My car cost $40,000. It's absolutely the nicest, roomiest (except for the minivans) car I ever owned. My Dad had a Checker when I was about ten, they no longer make them. They were designed for taxicabs and I've never seen more back seat leg room than in one. My new Hyundai has more leg room except Dad's Checker than any other car I've ever seen, and although the '74 LeMans was a much bigger car, my new EV is much roomier. It's a lot roomier than the '02 Concorde that was the same size as my new car on the outside. Why aren't the auto companies advertising how roomy EVs are? I never realized how much space engines, transmissions, and gas tanks take up.

        I started trying to buy one when I realized that you don't have to babysit them when you're charging. I didn't want to stand there in the snow filling a gas tank, but judging from most Facebook comments I've seen, I must be the only one who realized that. People seem to think you have to stand there when they charge. Why aren't they advertising this benefit?

        Why aren't they telling you that your car can now heat your garage, unlike a piston car? Why aren't they advertising the fact that rather than the heat coming on when you get to where you're going, you have heat before you're out of the driveway?

        Why aren't they telling you how well EVs handle, thanks to its crazy low center of gravity? Or how much faster they can stop, thanks to having two sets of brakes?

        Why aren't they advertising the fact that electricity is five times cheaper than gasoline and diesel? The only way I found out was by buying one.

        Why aren't they advertising all the advantages of EVs?

        Why are only the top of the line autos like the Mustang or Cadillac EVs? That's an easy question to answer. The automakers are under laws from our and other governments that their fuel mileage average of all the vehicles they sell has to be under a certain number. The easiest way to do that is to make the expensive cars, the ones with big V-8s, electric. When your fastest car doesn't use traditional fuel...

        But this, of course, begs a second question: why only the expensive ones? Because they don't want to make electric cars at all. The obvious reason is that they hate EVs. But why do they hate them and love the incredibly inefficient (my car will go 20 miles on the electricity it takes to refine a gallon of gasoline), obsolete Rube Goldberg device with thousands of moving parts to wear and break?

        EVs threaten their business model. The businesses are set up so that GM makes almost as much profit from aftermarket parts, like spark plugs, belts, hoses, pumps, and so forth as they do on the cars themselves.

        Gasoline and diesel vehicles all need periodic maintenance. They're needy things, expensive to maintain, and the car company gets a cut of every repair of every car they sell. The drive train is a Rube Goldberg mess with thousands of moving, interlocking parts, any one of which fails can cripple the vehicle. A bad fuel pump stranded me in the bad part of town last year, and the repair was nearly $900 not counting the towing charge. The repair shop got half, Pontiac and other companies got the rest.

        My new car doesn't have a fuel pump. Or spark plugs, or belts, or fuel injectors, or any of the other moving parts all the other cars I've owned since 1968 had and needed replacing. The motor's shaft IS its drive train! When was the last time your ceiling fan needed servicing?

        More than likely that new 1976 Vega that cost $3,000 garnered more than that for GM in aftermarket parts. There may still be some on the road still earning money for GM. An EV has few aftermarket parts; tires, brake pads, windshield wiper blades are all I can think of. Hyundai won't make any more money from my new EV like they would if it had a big six cylinder piston engine.

        Which is a shame, because electric motors are all far, far superior to piston engines and transmissions in every way. But the nearly zero cost of maintenance is why the thieving billionaire car companies don't want to sell affordable EVs. In fact, they want to sell as few EVs as possible. If it wasn't for fuel mileage restrictions, Tesla and the Chinese would likely be the only electric cars you could buy.

        But isn't this just a conspiracy theory? No, there was never a conspiracy, nothing needed to be said. Those people aren't moral, but they're not stupid, either. Ford and Chevy aren't making cars for a hobby, nor are they charitable organizations. All they care about is profit, and EVs threaten their gravy train.


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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 07 2023, @06:06PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 07 2023, @06:06PM (#1335560)

    The average house uses on the order of 20 kwh per day. A "tank" full for an EV is about 80 kwh. The average use case would see the EV use that "tank" every few days.

    To a reasonable approximation, converting to EV's would see domestic electricity power usage double. (This is increased by houses averaging more than one car, but reduced by second and third cars generally seeing less mileage.)

    You could do a similar calculation for industry, but I don't know even approximate amounts for electric power vs fuel usage for that.

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  • (Score: 2) by epitaxial on Thursday December 07 2023, @07:48PM (1 child)

    by epitaxial (3165) on Thursday December 07 2023, @07:48PM (#1335578)

    The average house uses on the order of 20 kwh per day. A "tank" full for an EV is about 80 kwh. The average use case would see the EV use that "tank" every few days.

    Bullshit. You're telling me the average person uses an entire tank of gasoline every "few days"?

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 07 2023, @11:20PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 07 2023, @11:20PM (#1335615)

      No you moron. Read it again. An EV needs the equivalent of a full charge every few day. Four days in the example above. Seems about right. Look at it another way. EV's get less about 200 miles on a charge, most people use their cars for 15 to 20 thousand miles a year, that means they need to charge them about 75 to 100 times a year. Approx twice a week.
      Wow, math checks out.

  • (Score: 2) by mcgrew on Saturday December 09 2023, @12:35AM (2 children)

    by mcgrew (701) <publish@mcgrewbooks.com> on Saturday December 09 2023, @12:35AM (#1335824) Homepage Journal

    Sorry, bud, but experience trumps books, as much as I hate to say that as anauthor. You're simply ignorant. I charge my car every couple of weeks when it goes below half full. My 110 volt charger pulls 1.8 amps, roughly a couple hundred watts. My countertop dishwasher pulls 700 watts, microwave a thousand.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 10 2023, @01:35AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 10 2023, @01:35AM (#1335980)

      Somebody or something is lying to you. At 200 watts it would take 400 hours to charge a 80kwh battery. That's sixteen days continuous charging.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 10 2023, @10:43PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday December 10 2023, @10:43PM (#1336060)

      Putting it together from the bits of info you drop in various posts, your charger puts out 1.8 amps into the battery at 800 volts.
      That's about 1.5 KW it's drawing from the house circuit. At 110 volts, somewhere between 13 and 14 amps. That also matches up with the charging times you give.

      Some basic E facts:
      Power = Voltage * Current
      Energy = Power * Time
      It is pointless and confusing to keep referring to Power as Current without specifying the Voltage.