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posted by martyb on Tuesday February 03 2015, @04:55PM   Printer-friendly
from the same-old-same-old dept.

An international team of scientists has discovered the greatest absence of evolution ever reported—a type of deep-sea microorganism that appears not to have evolved over more than 2 billion years. But the researchers say that the organisms' lack of evolution actually supports Charles Darwin's theory of evolution. The findings are published online today by the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

The scientists examined sulfur bacteria, microorganisms that are too small to see with the unaided eye, that are 1.8 billion years old and were preserved in rocks from Western Australia's coastal waters. Using cutting-edge technology, they found that the bacteria look the same as bacteria of the same region from 2.3 billion years ago—and that both sets of ancient bacteria are indistinguishable from modern sulfur bacteria found in mud off of the coast of Chile.

http://phys.org/news/2015-02-scientists-hasnt-evolved-billion-years.html

[Abstract]: http://www.pnas.org/content/early/2015/01/27/1419241112

 
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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Arik on Tuesday February 03 2015, @07:50PM

    by Arik (4543) on Tuesday February 03 2015, @07:50PM (#140818) Journal
    These creatures have evolved just as much and as long as any other organism on earth, ourselves included.

    Just because in their case it has not resulted in significant changes to gross morphology in no way means it has not been evolving.
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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by FatPhil on Tuesday February 03 2015, @08:52PM

    by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Tuesday February 03 2015, @08:52PM (#140845) Homepage
    They will have evolved about as much as any other creature that's undergone as much environmental change and associated evolutionary pressure as they have, as that's how evolution works.

    However, the scientists are proposing that the environmental changes are negligible for such creatures, whereas our environment has changed quite a lot in the same timeframe. Therefore it is to be expected that we will have evolved more than them. Which is evidenced in what's known about our phenotypes over the billennia (there's probably no such word, but there ought to be).

    Punctuated equilibrium is permitted to have arbitrarily long periods of equilibrium. Some even say that equilibrium is the norm, the punctuations are the unusual state.
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    • (Score: 1) by Arik on Tuesday February 03 2015, @09:35PM

      by Arik (4543) on Tuesday February 03 2015, @09:35PM (#140859) Journal
      "However, the scientists are proposing that the environmental changes are negligible for such creatures, whereas our environment has changed quite a lot in the same timeframe."

      You realize they live on the same planet we do, right?
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      • (Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Wednesday February 04 2015, @08:25AM

        by wonkey_monkey (279) on Wednesday February 04 2015, @08:25AM (#141044) Homepage

        You realise our planet has many widely varying environments, right? Why don't you move to the Arctic, the bottom of the Mariana Trench, or the middle of Death Valley? It's the same planet.

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      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday February 04 2015, @10:48AM

        by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Wednesday February 04 2015, @10:48AM (#141085) Homepage
        I had briefly forgotten that, thanks for reminding me. It was rather foolish of me to enter a scientific argument not armed with that fact. I was also unaware that the entire planet has a uniform environment on the land and in the hydrosphere. It's amazing what you learn on the internet!

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  • (Score: 2) by wonkey_monkey on Tuesday February 03 2015, @09:01PM

    by wonkey_monkey (279) on Tuesday February 03 2015, @09:01PM (#140847) Homepage

    These creatures have evolved just as much...

    How do you define the amount of evolution a creature has undergone?

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    • (Score: 2) by Arik on Saturday February 07 2015, @04:25AM

      by Arik (4543) on Saturday February 07 2015, @04:25AM (#142133) Journal
      Evolution is strictly defined as the change in allele frequency in a population over time.

      By this definition it should be possible to show what they are claiming - long term lack of evolution - but their evidence does not actually support it. Again, they have no genetic data. They are comparing gross morphology visually.

      What I actually meant is slightly different - their evolutionary history is just as long as ours. Its evolution may well have been extraordinarily slow - but the stable morphology only suggests and certainly does not demand that conclusion. Heck it may not be stable morphology at all, the population could have been wiped out completely a dozen times and then a new population evolved into the same shape each time. These are bacteria we are talking about. We have the modern DNA but no ancient DNA to compare it to, and even with large vertebrates judging descent by gross morphology has proven to be less than perfectly accurate.

      All known life has the same ultimate ancestor and therefore the same start point and the exact same length of evolutionary history, whatever its current form.
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