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posted by janrinok on Thursday January 25 2024, @05:34AM   Printer-friendly
from the 737-Max-Defects dept.

https://leehamnews.com/2024/01/15/unplanned-removal-installation-inspection-procedure-at-boeing/#comment-509962

[...] why did the left hand (LH) mid-exit door plug blow off of the 737-9 registered as N704AL? Simple- as has been covered in a number of articles and videos across aviation channels, there are 4 bolts that prevent the mid-exit door plug from sliding up off of the door stop fittings that take the actual pressurization loads in flight, and these 4 bolts were not installed when Boeing delivered the airplane, our own records reflect this.

As a result, this check job that should find minimal defects has in the past 365 calendar days recorded 392 nonconforming findings on 737 mid fuselage door installations (so both actual doors for the high density configs, and plugs like the one that blew out). That is a hideously high and very alarming number, and if our quality system on 737 was healthy, it would have stopped the line and driven the issue back to supplier after the first few instances.

The mid-exit doors on a 737-9 of both the regular and plug variety come from Spirit already installed in what is supposed to be the final configuration and in the Renton factory, there is a job for the doors team to verify this "final" install and rigging meets drawing requirements. In a healthy production system, this would be a "belt and suspenders" sort of check, but the 737 production system is quite far from healthy, its a rambling, shambling, disaster waiting to happen. As a result, this check job that should find minimal defects has in the past 365 calendar days recorded 392 nonconforming findings on 737 mid fuselage door installations (so both actual doors for the high density configs, and plugs like the one that blew out). That is a hideously high and very alarming number, and if our quality system on 737 was healthy, it would have stopped the line and driven the issue back to supplier after the first few instances. Obviously, this did not happen. Now, on the incident aircraft this check job was completed on 31 August 2023, and did turn up discrepancies, but on the RH side door, not the LH that actually failed. I could blame the team for missing certain details, but given the enormous volume of defects they were already finding and fixing, it was inevitable something would slip through- and on the incident aircraft something did. I know what you are thinking at this point, but grab some popcorn because there is a plot twist coming up. [....]


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  • (Score: -1, Troll) by DadaDoofy on Thursday January 25 2024, @01:30PM (10 children)

    by DadaDoofy (23827) on Thursday January 25 2024, @01:30PM (#1341673)
    One of the hallmarks of authoritarianism is to restrict the free movement of people. Think of checkpoints every few miles where you have to "show your papers". Globalist want to restrict air travel by regular people like you and I (not them). Of course, the stated goal is to "save the planet". A shocking percentage of people in at least one EU country even support the idea of limiting people to just four flights during their entire lifetime.

    https://www.theblaze.com/news/41-of-french-support-lifetime-limit-of-4-flights-per-person-to-combat-climate-change-survey [theblaze.com]

    If this goal can't be accomplished through legislation, one alternative is to destroy the perception that flying is safe. It looks like this idea has been fully embraced in the US. At this stage of the investigation, we don't know whether DEI hiring played a direct role in this specific incident, but it's obvious the stage has been set for incidents to occur that create skepticism about the safety of air travel.

    https://nypost.com/2024/01/14/news/faas-diversity-push-includes-hiring-people-with-intellectual-and-psychiatric-disabilities/amp/ [nypost.com]
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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 25 2024, @01:36PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 25 2024, @01:36PM (#1341674)

    Crank alert...

  • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday January 25 2024, @02:45PM (5 children)

    by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 25 2024, @02:45PM (#1341677) Journal

    I don't think the the source for the link you provided is one that we would normally use - it does seem to have a 'certain political bias' shall we say?

    The actual survey did take place but it was a relatively small sample size, and of those who it states did vote to limit flights 72% were less than 35 years old. As flying away on holiday is not as common in France as perhaps elsewhere (there are much cheaper ways to travel within Europe) they also probably wouldn't be making a significant part of those who fly for business or other reasons. In addition, like elsewhere in the world, the younger group are not the wealthiest people around because of the difficult job situation and the cost of home purchase.

    • (Score: 2) by DadaDoofy on Thursday January 25 2024, @04:12PM (4 children)

      by DadaDoofy (23827) on Thursday January 25 2024, @04:12PM (#1341690)

      Why bother attacking the source when you admit the information is true? Here, is this source less triggering?

      https://ecodiscussion.com/40-of-french-favor-lifetime-flight-limits-due-to-climate-change-poll/ [ecodiscussion.com]

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Freeman on Thursday January 25 2024, @04:56PM (2 children)

        by Freeman (732) on Thursday January 25 2024, @04:56PM (#1341697) Journal

        Reputability of a source matters. For example, if you quote the "National Enquirer" or some other disreputable source. Generally, I'm not going to be taking what you say seriously.

        --
        Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
        • (Score: 2) by DadaDoofy on Thursday January 25 2024, @09:25PM (1 child)

          by DadaDoofy (23827) on Thursday January 25 2024, @09:25PM (#1341732)

          Ok sure. But let me ask you this. If the National Enquirer, along with a dozen other publications you consider to be more reputable, report that the sun rose this morning, would you not take it seriously? That's essentially what happened here.

          • (Score: 2) by Freeman on Thursday January 25 2024, @09:43PM

            by Freeman (732) on Thursday January 25 2024, @09:43PM (#1341736) Journal

            Considering that the Sun not rising in the morning would be kind of a big deal. I certainly wouldn't go looking for the National Enquirer's input. Just because they too have eyeballs in their heads, doesn't make them any less of a gossip rag. I certainly wouldn't go to the National Enquirer for any useful discourse on the situation.

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            Joshua 1:9 "Be strong and of a good courage; be not afraid, neither be thou dismayed: for the Lord thy God is with thee"
      • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday January 25 2024, @07:35PM

        by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Thursday January 25 2024, @07:35PM (#1341711) Journal

        Because, as I pointed out, the survey indicated a small small sample, and that it was age related. Without a breakdown of the samples age groups and numbers the result is skewed.

        Secondly, it is not a survey company that I have heard of before. I don't know how reputable they are.

  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 25 2024, @06:40PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday January 25 2024, @06:40PM (#1341705)

    > ... restrict the free movement of people. [by air]

    I thought we'd established that the 9/11 NYC twin towers terrorists showed the way to do this? With all the security theater that was added after air travel resumed, going to airports was enough of a pain that I nearly quit flying completely. Others must have felt the same, air travel was low for years. Before that I flew multiple times/year, inside the US, to and inside Europe as well.

    No need for any new conspiracy theories, the 9/11 attacks already "won" in this respect.

  • (Score: 2) by Goghit on Sunday January 28 2024, @05:00AM

    by Goghit (6530) on Sunday January 28 2024, @05:00AM (#1342059)

    Free movement or build that wall. I wish you people would make up your minds.