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Earlier this week, KDE developer David Edmundson described in his blog how KDE would be tied to logind and timedated but not systemd itself, at least according to his claim that "The init system is one part of systemd that doesn't affect us at all, and any other could be used.".
Later, in the blog comments, he clarifies that starting with plasma 5.5, in 6 months, they'll drop "legacy" support, according to a decision taken in the plasma sprint.
Even if one can only guess why there is no formal announcement, it seems clear - unless somehow there is a shim or emulator, not only for logind but also for timedated, in 6 months KDE will be unusable unless you are running systemd. And the blog entry makes it clear that the plan is to remove more and more functionality from KDE and use systemd instead.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Friday February 20 2015, @01:30PM
When the boot system demanded that the authentication system relied on it. The desktop has to rely on the authentication system to start sessions.
This is my biggest concern with systemd - the clear goal is to make it a dependency of everything other than the kernel. Absolutely nothing in the open source world has been in that position before (not even the Linux kernel, since userspace applications were typically built to work on BSDs and commercial Unixes and Cygwin too).
The only thing that stops a bad guy with a compiler is a good guy with a compiler.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by digitalaudiorock on Friday February 20 2015, @02:53PM
Exactly...like trying to run Windows without svchost.exe...which is actually a good analogy, because frankly using systemd is very much like running Windows and it's bloated svchost crap...binary Windows-fucking-event-log etc etc etc. I can't believe the open source community hasn't just flat out rejected it because of those phony dependencies alone. They're all clearly malicious...our way or the highway.
BTW...why does everyone suddenly start posting anonymously whenever systemd comes up? Does LP have like mob ties I don't know about? I'm not afraid to say how much I think it sucks...that's for sure.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 20 2015, @10:42PM
Choosing to not have an account when it is not necessary correlates highly with GNU philosophy. Likewise, sockpuppets and friends always post with accounts to appear credible.
(Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Saturday February 21 2015, @01:32AM
Wow...way to contribute to the discussion. I'll let other "sock puppets" weigh in on your bit of wisdom there.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday February 22 2015, @08:56AM
Given the kdbus project, it may well be that the kernel comes to depend on systemd to do the talking to the userland...