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Earlier this week, KDE developer David Edmundson described in his blog how KDE would be tied to logind and timedated but not systemd itself, at least according to his claim that "The init system is one part of systemd that doesn't affect us at all, and any other could be used.".
Later, in the blog comments, he clarifies that starting with plasma 5.5, in 6 months, they'll drop "legacy" support, according to a decision taken in the plasma sprint.
Even if one can only guess why there is no formal announcement, it seems clear - unless somehow there is a shim or emulator, not only for logind but also for timedated, in 6 months KDE will be unusable unless you are running systemd. And the blog entry makes it clear that the plan is to remove more and more functionality from KDE and use systemd instead.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by moondrake on Friday February 20 2015, @02:58PM
At times as these I regret not having the "overrated" mod anymore. You made a fairly silly comment, which is aligned with the general opinion, and gets modded up as insightful...
You realized this later (see sibling), but I cannot, in good conscience, mod you Troll or Flamebait (as I think you simply did not check the FA yet), so the comment stands...
For the record: I dislike systemd. But I also see that some parts of it (specifically logind actually) are very useful and _better than what we had before_, as they provide a single backend for doing things that all DEs need. The only downside is that they rely on other parts of systemd that I am not too happy with.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Friday February 20 2015, @06:49PM
At times as these I regret not having the "overrated" mod anymore. You made a fairly silly comment, which is aligned with the general opinion, and gets modded up as insightful...
Meanwhile, the abusive down-modding that removing "overrated" was supposed to fix continues unabated with "redundant" or "troll."
(Score: 2) by arashi no garou on Friday February 20 2015, @07:04PM
Don't forget "Offtopic"; I've seen a few posts modded as such that were topical. I can only imagine it was someone who meant to hit that "Disagree" button and suddenly slipped...
(Score: 2) by hemocyanin on Friday February 20 2015, @10:05PM
Downmodders like to see the score go down. Disagree is a fail in that regard.
(Score: 2) by arashi no garou on Saturday February 21 2015, @01:55AM
That's the joke...
(Score: 2) by moondrake on Saturday February 21 2015, @09:21AM
Well, it does not make much sense to mod comments disagree when they contain a logical fallacy. Or when they ask questions that have been answered in the FA.
I would be happy if we had a 0 mod to point out such cases.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by khallow on Friday February 20 2015, @07:25PM
You made a fairly silly comment, which is aligned with the general opinion, and gets modded up as insightful...
He asked a question not made a "fairly silly comment". Perhaps you could just answer the question.
(Score: 2) by moondrake on Saturday February 21 2015, @09:01AM
The question that he put in his comment was not a very good one because the FA addresses precisely this thing. The parts that KDE depends on is not the boot system, and this is clearly explained if you just read the article. (That you highlight this question again is simply beyond silly, and not insightful at all dear mods...).
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday February 21 2015, @05:57PM
The parts that KDE depends on is not the boot system,
Wasn't hard, was it?
(Score: 2) by moondrake on Saturday February 21 2015, @07:19PM
No, and Gaaark realized this long before you posted, which I referred to in my comment. I really do not see your point.
(Score: 2, Informative) by khallow on Saturday February 21 2015, @08:22PM
No, and Gaaark realized this long before you posted, which I referred to in my comment. I really do not see your point.
Let's look at this as a timeline. A poster, Gaaark asks a reasonable question. Why does KDE depend on systemd? Let me remind you that not everyone is born with perfect knowledge of what systemd and its dependencies are.
Three minutes later he has an answer to his reasonable question and he posts it. Drama averted right? No, for you then post your condescending and useless reply a full hour and a half later.
So to summarize, your original reply adds nothing to the discussion aside from raising other peoples' blood pressure.
(Score: 2) by moondrake on Saturday February 21 2015, @08:58PM
I disagree. He did not read the article at the time of that first post. The answer to his question was in the FA. I pointed out that he should not have been modded up and had no way to correct it in a sensible way.
That comment was offtopic perhaps, but not totally without merit imho. I do not think calling his comment somewhat silly is condescending. I think it is a quite nice description for posting without reading what the story is about. My somewhat offtopic point was about the moderation and since I could not downmod, I could at least point out the post was not relevant for a sound discussion of the article. Moreover I raised the question of whether we do not need some mod system for this type of situation.
You on the other hand, did not read or understand the article, and posted a moronic reply (this is condescending yes, but by now I think you deserve it). Instead of silently ignoring my reply and not make matters worse for both of us, you resort to trolling (i.e. first you call me out to answer the question, then later argue my post was irrelevant to begin with). Discussion is over.
(Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday February 21 2015, @09:10PM
I suggest the following two step approach:
1) Apologize.
2) STFU, unless you have something useful to say.
Now, having said that, I think it's time to take my own advice.
(Score: 2) by HiThere on Friday February 20 2015, @08:59PM
I think your use of the word "only" unjustifiably trivializes the problem. Otherwise I pretty much agree.
Javascript is what you use to allow unknown third parties to run software you have no idea about on your computer.