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Earlier this week, KDE developer David Edmundson described in his blog how KDE would be tied to logind and timedated but not systemd itself, at least according to his claim that "The init system is one part of systemd that doesn't affect us at all, and any other could be used.".
Later, in the blog comments, he clarifies that starting with plasma 5.5, in 6 months, they'll drop "legacy" support, according to a decision taken in the plasma sprint.
Even if one can only guess why there is no formal announcement, it seems clear - unless somehow there is a shim or emulator, not only for logind but also for timedated, in 6 months KDE will be unusable unless you are running systemd. And the blog entry makes it clear that the plan is to remove more and more functionality from KDE and use systemd instead.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by Grishnakh on Friday February 20 2015, @09:26PM
What "backroom tactics"? I must have missed this. I thought the Debian decision was made by a vote between the people in charge of the project, not some outsiders. From what I remember, there was a lot of complaining by an Ian Jackson who seemed to be holding everything up because he didn't like it, but that's just one guy, and then when everyone else voted against him he got mad and quit the group.
(Score: 3, Informative) by tangomargarine on Friday February 20 2015, @11:03PM
"Everyone else voted against him" is a lie. The 8-person vote was 4 in favor of systemd as their first choice and 4 in favor of the other alternatives. And IIRC the only reason systemd won that vote was because the guy who "broke ties" (whatever you call it when you have a plurality but a majority is required) was in the systemd voting block.
Go look up the original Slashdot/Soylent articles on the vote. I swear Debian made their voting system as hard to understand as possible.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 1, Troll) by Grishnakh on Friday February 27 2015, @08:25PM
It's not their fault you're too dumb to understand Condorcet voting, or any kind of voting system where you're allowed to vote for your preference for candidates.
(Score: 3, Informative) by arashi no garou on Saturday February 21 2015, @01:52AM
It's my understanding that there was a split vote, some of the voters wanted more time to think about it, but some heavy pushing by LP and KS privately caused those requests to be ignored. The vote was rushed and the swing voter said what amounted to "fuck it, roll with it" and it was done.
That's what I read back when it was going on, though I've heard from some (admittedly heavy systemd supporting) sources that it didn't go down like that, that it was a simple majority vote without drama and the perceived drama was manufactured by the anti-systemd camp. I find that hard to believe though, given the amount of controversy on both sides.
Either way, I choose not to run systemd because of that very controversy; I don't need drama with my OS. Hell, my Raspberry Pi's OS has some systemd parts in it, it hasn't crashed and burned and sacrificed goats like some anti-systemd folks swear it will. But I'm looking forward to getting my new RasPi 2 next week that should be able to run Slackware without issues.