Stories
Slash Boxes
Comments

SoylentNews is people

SoylentNews is powered by your submissions, so send in your scoop. Only 17 submissions in the queue.
posted by janrinok on Thursday December 12 2024, @11:20PM   Printer-friendly
from the got-gas? dept.

The company's CEO claims that affordable and reliable vehicles with combustion engines are a priority for US buyers:

Mazda is late to the electrification party. The MX-30 is far from being the roaring success the Japanese automaker had hoped it would be. It was axed from the United States at the end of the 2023 model year due to poor sales. The range-extending version with a rotary engine is only offered in certain markets, and the US is not on the list. In addition, the EZ-6 electric sedan isn't coming here either. However, the situation isn't all that bad.

Why? Because Americans primarily want gas cars. Speaking with Automotive News, Mazda CEO Masahiro Moro said ICE has a long future in America. Even at the end of the decade, traditional gas cars and mild-hybrid models will make up about two-thirds of annual sales. Plug-in hybrids and EVs will represent the remaining third. In other words, most vehicles will still have a gas engine five years from now.

Mazda's head honcho primarily referred to entry-level models, specifically the 3 and CX-30. Moro believes EV growth in the US has slowed down in the last 18 months or so, adding the trend will likely continue in the foreseeable future. That buys the company more time to develop a lithium-ion battery entirely in-house. The goal is to have it ready for 2030 in plug-in hybrids and purely electric cars. Expect a much higher energy density and "very short" charging times. Interestingly, the engineers already have a "very advanced research base for solid-state batteries."

In the meantime, work is underway on a two-rotor gas engine that will serve as a generator.

Related:


Original Submission

 
This discussion was created by janrinok (52) for logged-in users only, but now has been archived. No new comments can be posted.
Display Options Threshold/Breakthrough Mark All as Read Mark All as Unread
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by PinkyGigglebrain on Thursday December 12 2024, @11:53PM (20 children)

    by PinkyGigglebrain (4458) on Thursday December 12 2024, @11:53PM (#1385270)

    An ICE powered vehicles using synthetic fuel and lubricants can be as Carbon neutral as an EV.

    We don't need to replace every vehicle with an EV to be Carbon neutral. We just need to replace the fuels.

    --
    "Beware those who would deny you Knowledge, For in their hearts they dream themselves your Master."
    Starting Score:    1  point
    Moderation   +3  
       Insightful=3, Total=3
    Extra 'Insightful' Modifier   0  
    Karma-Bonus Modifier   +1  

    Total Score:   5  
  • (Score: 2, Touché) by fliptop on Friday December 13 2024, @12:08AM (2 children)

    by fliptop (1666) on Friday December 13 2024, @12:08AM (#1385272) Journal

    We don't need to replace every vehicle with an EV to be Carbon neutral. We just need to replace the fuels.

    And plant trees.

    --
    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.
    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13 2024, @05:33AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13 2024, @05:33AM (#1385302)

      The world can't accommodate 65 million years' worth of trees that we're burning presently. Next idea.

      • (Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13 2024, @09:04AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13 2024, @09:04AM (#1385318)

        Of course it can. You just need to grow bigger trees.

  • (Score: 5, Touché) by Frosty Piss on Friday December 13 2024, @12:17AM

    by Frosty Piss (4971) on Friday December 13 2024, @12:17AM (#1385274)

    An ICE powered vehicles using synthetic fuel and lubricants can be as Carbon neutral as an EV.

    EVs are not carbon neutral, and wont be for many many years, if at all.

  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13 2024, @01:13AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13 2024, @01:13AM (#1385281)
    A hydrocarbon/alcohol fuel cell EV would be interesting to me. Especially if I could go to fuel station and fill it up in less than a few minutes.

    Still should have a battery or capacitor for regenerative braking, acceleration bursts. Maybe some models could have a big enough battery for short/commute distances.
  • (Score: 3, Informative) by nostyle on Friday December 13 2024, @01:15AM (1 child)

    by nostyle (11497) on Friday December 13 2024, @01:15AM (#1385282) Journal

    ICE powered vehicles using synthetic fuel and lubricants can be as Carbon neutral as an EV.

    So here's the kicker. The reason that we still pump oil out of the ground is because it's cheaper to get fuels from that than it is to synthesize then in a Carbon neutral fashion. If we ever manage to switch to green syn-fuels, expect to pay _way_ more for them since we will no longer be externalizing the environmental costs.

    That said, as an American, I would love to own a hybrid vehicle that gets 50+ miles to the gallon and gave a driving range of 500+ miles. I simply cannot afford these, and so I drive a twenty-year old ford sedan. The USA will need to pay its workers more if it ever hopes to kick its fossil fuel addiction.

    --
    "Don't let the sound of your own wheels drive you crazy" -Jackson Browne, Take It Easy

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by mhajicek on Friday December 13 2024, @06:25AM

      by mhajicek (51) on Friday December 13 2024, @06:25AM (#1385309)

      First generation Honda Insight could do that. 60 mpg easy, 80 mpg drafting behind a truck.

      --
      The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
  • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Friday December 13 2024, @02:52AM (12 children)

    by Reziac (2489) on Friday December 13 2024, @02:52AM (#1385290) Homepage

    What is this synthetic fuel made from?
    How much energy does it take to make it?

    Methinks that would just shove the costs "out of sight" much as EVs do.

    --
    And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
    • (Score: 2) by aafcac on Friday December 13 2024, @03:46AM (11 children)

      by aafcac (17646) on Friday December 13 2024, @03:46AM (#1385292)

      You can make biodiesel from vegetable oils and you can even modify diesel cars to run directly off of filtered vegetable oil. Gas cars are a little trickier, but I'm sure you could convert various vegetable and animal oil into an acceptable gas substitute.

      • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Friday December 13 2024, @04:09AM (6 children)

        by Reziac (2489) on Friday December 13 2024, @04:09AM (#1385296) Homepage

        Am aware of biodiesel, but that's not 'synthetic'. And yeah, you could probably crack waste fats much as is done with petroleum, to get something chemically similar to gasoline (itself a mix of long-carbon chains), tho I expect the same treatment would be needed to get rid of the acids. But would fat-gas that cost more net energy than just using oil-gas?

        --
        And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
        • (Score: 2) by aafcac on Friday December 13 2024, @04:23AM (4 children)

          by aafcac (17646) on Friday December 13 2024, @04:23AM (#1385297)

          It probably would be less efficient than oil gas, but it also wouldn't require either digging more oil or replacing a bunch of ICE vehicles that are set up for gas rather than other fuels.

          And most of the carbon released would at least come from the supply that's been recently circulated.

          • (Score: 3, Insightful) by acid andy on Friday December 13 2024, @10:34PM (3 children)

            by acid andy (1683) on Friday December 13 2024, @10:34PM (#1385382) Homepage Journal

            And most of the carbon released would at least come from the supply that's been recently circulated.

            What difference does that really make though? A CO2 emission is a CO2 emission whether it comes from ancient fossils or a recently living crop. I get that the idea is the harvested crops get replanted to absorb CO2 over and over again, but where are we going to grow all these crops given the level of demand for fossil fuels?

            --
            "rancid randy has a dialogue with herself[...] Somebody help him!" -- Anonymous Coward.
            • (Score: 2) by aafcac on Saturday December 14 2024, @04:09AM (1 child)

              by aafcac (17646) on Saturday December 14 2024, @04:09AM (#1385395)

              The difference is the stuff in the ground hasn't been in the atmosphere and as such results in increased concentration in the atmosphere, the stuff that you get from plants was recently in the atmosphere, so it's much closer to being neutral. It's just whatever fossil fuels need to be burned to make and distribute the fuel that it increases emissions by.

              Honestly, it's not that complicated.

              • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Saturday December 14 2024, @09:28PM

                by acid andy (1683) on Saturday December 14 2024, @09:28PM (#1385447) Homepage Journal

                I think it depends what if anything was growing on that patch of land before the crops were planted. At the worst case, if they slash n burn a forest to grow biofuels, it would be difficult to legitimately claim being carbon neutral.

                --
                "rancid randy has a dialogue with herself[...] Somebody help him!" -- Anonymous Coward.
            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Saturday December 14 2024, @03:19PM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Saturday December 14 2024, @03:19PM (#1385416) Journal

              A CO2 emission is a CO2 emission whether it comes from ancient fossils or a recently living crop./quote> The latter is paired with a CO2 sink.

        • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13 2024, @05:43AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13 2024, @05:43AM (#1385303)

          Hear me out, what if we liposuck the fuck out of all the obese Americans at the poor end of the food chain to extract their lipids which we burn for fuel to power our fucking Peloton video livestreams so we can broadcast our zero fucking carbon workouts and sell fucking lycra leotards like fucking saviors of Western civilization.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by mhajicek on Friday December 13 2024, @06:28AM (3 children)

        by mhajicek (51) on Friday December 13 2024, @06:28AM (#1385310)

        Biodesil is only cheap if you can get the feedstock for free or next to free.

        --
        The spacelike surfaces of time foliations can have a cusp at the surface of discontinuity. - P. Hajicek
        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aafcac on Friday December 13 2024, @07:01AM

          by aafcac (17646) on Friday December 13 2024, @07:01AM (#1385312)

          So? It doesn't need to be cheap, nor should it be. A lot of why we're in this position is unreasonably cheap oil based fuels. If we subsidized that other stuff, we be collectively better positioned. We outright should not be subsidizing oil or coal anything at this point.

        • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13 2024, @11:19AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday December 13 2024, @11:19AM (#1385329)

          Waste cooking oil for Biodiesel is now in such demand that the refiners have contracts with restaurants. Most telling is that the waste cooking oil is now being stolen!
          https://www.cheektowagabee.com/articles/used-cooking-oil-thefts-continue-in-erie-county/ [cheektowagabee.com]

          ... The waste product is collected by area restaurants to sell to biodiesel companies that refine the grease into usable fuel.

          Buffalo Biodiesel owner Sumit Majumdar stated in a conversation that the culprits appear to be stealing or renting vehicles to commit these crimes, making it difficult to track them down later on. Using large vats within the vehicles, often vans or work trucks, the thieves will force entry into a restaurant’s storage tank and siphon out the contents.

          In the most recent case reported by the Lancaster Police Department, at 3:30 a.m. Wednesday, Oct. 9, Lancaster officers responded to complaints of used cooking oil being illegally removed from a storage tank outside a seafood restaurant on Transit Road. An employee of Buffalo Biodiesel came across the looted tank while making his regularly scheduled collection of used cooking oil from area businesses that the company is contracted to service.

          • According to the police report, the locking system on the oil tank appeared to have been cut, the metal bar used to secure the tank’s opening found in a pile of grease on top of the tank.

          • The estimated financial loss from this theft is $1,225. [story continues with other thefts]

          At least around here, it seems like we're at "peak cooking oil" now, and have reached the max amount of feedstock available from making Buffalo wings and other deep fried food.

          • (Score: 2) by acid andy on Friday December 13 2024, @10:36PM

            by acid andy (1683) on Friday December 13 2024, @10:36PM (#1385383) Homepage Journal

            "My retirement grease!!!"

            --
            "rancid randy has a dialogue with herself[...] Somebody help him!" -- Anonymous Coward.