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posted by hubie on Sunday February 16 2025, @08:54PM   Printer-friendly
from the persistence dept.

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James Howells, a British IT worker, mined over 7,500 Bitcoins back in 2009, when they were worth next to nothing. Now a single Bitcoin is worth nearly $100,000, valuing his stash at well over $700 million. Unfortunately, Howells accidentally threw the hard drive he stored the key on in the trash. He has a scheme to get that money back, according to The Guardian. He wants to buy the landfill where it could be buried and dig it up.

Howells doesn’t exactly know where the hard drive is, but has a solid guess based on when he tossed it in the trash. He has it narrowed down to a particular section of a South Wales landfill that houses 15,000 metric tons of waste. The landfill is approaching maximum capacity, so Howells wants to buy it off the city. Officials have warned that the hard drive is “buried under 25,000 cubic meters of waste and earth” as it has been there for almost 12 years.

While the city hasn’t made a final decision, it doesn’t look good for Howells and his “needle in a haystack” plan. There are serious ecological dangers to haphazardly digging up a landfill. The excavation process would be risky and costly. Afterward, the landfill would have to be resealed, another expensive project. The city also has plans to build a solar farm on part of the land.

Finally, there’s the hard drive itself. Would there be anything recoverable after laying underneath tons and tons of trash for 12 years? It seems highly unlikely, though Howells and his investors must have some serious data retrieval specialists standing by.

[...] This is just the latest attempt by Howells to treat the landfill like an archaeological dig site, looking for his lost fortune. He’s been at this for over a decade. In 2017, he pleaded with the city to allow him to dig and officials said no, citing safety concerns and a fear of inciting treasure hunters to descend upon the landfill with shovels.

In 2021, he tried to sweeten the pot by offering the city 25 percent of the recovered Bitcoin. Once again, the city said no. In 2022, Howells came up with a particularly bizarre scheme that involved sending in Boston Dynamics robot dogs to do the digging. You can imagine what the city said to that one (it was no.)

There was another attempt to turn the landfill into a mining facility, which didn’t gain traction. Finally, Howells decided to sue the city of Newport for the right to go traipsing around in the landfill like a really gross, poop-encrusted Indiana Jones. A judge put the kibosh on the lawsuit, ruling that the case had “no realistic prospect of succeeding.”

Previously:
    • High Court Ruling Ends Man's Hopes of Recovering $750M Bitcoin Hard Drive From a Welsh Landfill
    • UK Man Sues City Over Discarded Bitcoin-filled Hard Drive


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Gaaark on Sunday February 16 2025, @09:06PM (6 children)

    by Gaaark (41) on Sunday February 16 2025, @09:06PM (#1393218) Journal

    I knew a guy who went after the Canadian 'Tax Man', over a loop-hole he had discovered. They said he needed to pay taxes on something and he said he didn't.

    He spent all his free time putting together his case and fighting it. He had retired and had no life except for this 'fight'.

    Then he died. The fight was over about $1500 dollars.

    Retired, had no life.

    This British guy is taking a huge gamble and spending all his time on this. Yes the payout would be big if he could recover even half, unless of course his out-lay is significant, but...

    ...is this guy enjoying life?

    Is he surrounded by anyone loving him? Wanting to spend time with him? Does he travel, enjoy life, make others happy?

    Sounds like a net loss to me.

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  • (Score: 4, Interesting) by progo on Sunday February 16 2025, @09:29PM

    by progo (6356) on Sunday February 16 2025, @09:29PM (#1393219) Homepage

    This British guy is taking a huge gamble and spending all his time on this. Yes the payout would be big if he could recover even half, unless of course his out-lay is significant, but...

    ...is this guy enjoying life?

    And I wonder if he has done any serious bayesian analysis on this quest. If you actually do reasonable estimates on the probabilities, and work it all out, is it even worth it to try? Can a hard drive survive in a recoverable state (not talking about just plugging it in), after years in a rotting landfill? What are the probabilities of the hard drive being inside the border of the landfill? If that is true, what are the likely amounts of time, paid labor, and energy needed to find it?

  • (Score: 3, Touché) by Tork on Sunday February 16 2025, @09:38PM (2 children)

    by Tork (3914) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 16 2025, @09:38PM (#1393222) Journal
    I suspect my perspective is a bit different. I mean, I rate treasure hunts a bit higher than say playing the lottery. But your point that he's possibly wagering a good deal more than he'll be happy with remains regardless of what I say.
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    • (Score: 2) by aafcac on Monday February 17 2025, @02:12AM (1 child)

      by aafcac (17646) on Monday February 17 2025, @02:12AM (#1393251)

      It depends a lot on what they're looking for. If it's gold or something similarly durable and it's a matter of not knowing where it is, that's one thing. But, if it's something like this where even if they do locate it, which they will eventually if they acquire the whole dump, they aren't guaranteed that the data can be recovered. IMHO, that puts it somewhere in between a treasure hunt and the lottery.

      • (Score: 4, Insightful) by zocalo on Monday February 17 2025, @08:33AM

        by zocalo (302) on Monday February 17 2025, @08:33AM (#1393271)
        Actually, it's a treasure hunt (digging up the dump) *then* a lottery (is the data even retrievable?). Both parts of the equation would seem to have similar odds to their analogous counterpart to me, but it's still missing the key point. The UK has extremely strict requirements for managing and working waste dumps, and for good reason. Even if he is allowed to buy the land (unlikely), he's not going to be able to dig it up because there will be limits on how deep he can dig that preclude breaking into the actual dump without a lot of certifications and additional planning permissions and permits he's simply not going to get. Breaching those laws is going to make his court time to date look like a pleasant memory.

        The a reason why former landfills in the UK now tend to get turned into things like pasture, nature parks, and solar farms - you can reuse the land without having to dig down too deep and disturbing the crap underneath until it's had a chance to properly break down, and that takes a *long* time. We know this because due to land pressure in the UK we learnt the hard way what happens if you build things like houses or business parks on a former waste sites, and it's an environmental, legal, and financial nightmare for all involved. A housing developer was knocked back not so long ago because they were looking at a former local landfill that hadn't been used since 1970, and that was just going to involve excavation of down to foundation and drainage level for which they supposedly had a handling plan. That's maybe a couple of meters at most, a lot of which would be into the backfill used to cover the waste, and Howells would need to go a lot deeper than that.

        It's not happening, and the sooner he realises that and gets on with his life the better it's going to be, but from the sound of things he's already past that point and is allowing this to consume him. That is not going to end well.
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  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Sunday February 16 2025, @10:04PM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Sunday February 16 2025, @10:04PM (#1393224) Journal

    ...is this guy enjoying life?

    Is he surrounded by anyone loving him? Wanting to spend time with him? Does he travel, enjoy life, make others happy?

    Sounds like a net loss to me.

    If you want to make all those people happy, then just put some electrodes in their brains to make them happy. It wouldn't be that hard.

    If you want to do it naturally, then you have to accept that some people just can't be happy in the obvious way. If this guy could just walk away from this, he'd have done so.

  • (Score: 1) by shrewdsheep on Monday February 17 2025, @08:45AM

    by shrewdsheep (5215) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 17 2025, @08:45AM (#1393273)