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posted by n1 on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:03PM   Printer-friendly
from the there's-no-place-like-home dept.

The Globe and Mail reports that Edward Snowden's Russian lawyer Anatoly Kucherena says the fugitive former US spy agency contractor who leaked details of the government’s mass surveillance programs was working with American and German lawyers to return home. “I won’t keep it secret that he … wants to return back home. And we are doing everything possible now to solve this issue. There is a group of U.S. lawyers, there is also a group of German lawyers and I’m dealing with it on the Russian side.” Kucherena added that Snowden is ready to return to the States, but on the condition that he is given a guarantee of a legal and impartial trial. The lawyer said Snowden had so far only received a guarantee from the US Attorney General that he will not face the death penalty. Kucherena says that Snowden is able to travel outside Russia since he has a three-year Russian residency permit, but "I suspect that as soon as he leaves Russia, he will be taken to the US embassy."

 
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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by o_o on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:13PM

    by o_o (1544) on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:13PM (#153056)

    Indeed. IMO it is way too soon. Should he return now, he will become the escape goat for many, many things.

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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by TheGratefulNet on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:14PM

    by TheGratefulNet (659) on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:14PM (#153057)

    hmm, I think I need to 3d print a new keycap for my keyboard and rename the one at the top left to be 'esc goat'.

    otoh, well, maybe not.

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    • (Score: 5, Funny) by mrclisdue on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:41PM

      by mrclisdue (680) on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:41PM (#153078)

      I joined this site to escape goatse, and now y'all talk about bring it back? Crimey.

    • (Score: 1) by drgibbon on Wednesday March 04 2015, @09:03PM

      by drgibbon (74) on Wednesday March 04 2015, @09:03PM (#153240) Journal

      Haha, must have an Escape Goat sticker for my keyboard. Hopefully Unix Stickers [unixstickers.com] can come up with the goods!

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by pogostix on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:32PM

    by pogostix (1696) on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:32PM (#153070)

    He should wait until he is invited home as a hero. Might be 100 years though :(

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by tathra on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:36PM

    by tathra (3367) on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:36PM (#153074)

    and thats why he must absolutely make sure his 6th amendment rights for a public trial and an impartial jury are respected. no secret trial, no secret evidence. his 5th amendment rights must be respected too, which means due process - no disappearing him into a dark hole the instant he enters a US extradition area.

    this is solid, undeniable proof that the US government has gone rogue - the government is openly ignoring citizens' constitutional rights. even if he gets a "guarantee" there's no proof they'll actually honor it. in fact, its almost guaranteed they won't since the US has been ignoring the rule of law for a while now.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by tathra on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:41PM

      by tathra (3367) on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:41PM (#153079)

      ugh, i just really noticed the word "legal" for the trial guarantee. being guaranteed its "legal" means exactly shit since these fuckers claim blatantly unconstitutional stuff is legal. no, he needs a guarantee for a constitutional trial. "legal" is a worthless word in this country these days.

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by TheGratefulNet on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:51PM

        by TheGratefulNet (659) on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:51PM (#153089)

        no 'promises' will ever be trusted by the US government, at least on this issue.

        if I was snowden, the only way I would agree to return is if I had some major balance of power I could use if the lawyers and judges decide to 'redefine' what US law is, yet again. something that gives him power against those who want to only make an example of him.

        what could you have or do to keep the mighty giant in check?

        I can't think of a thing. not a thing that would keep me safe in that situation.

        he's safer where he is, right now. I wish him well, I look up to him and we all owe him so much, it can never be repaid.

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        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Gaaark on Wednesday March 04 2015, @06:30PM

          by Gaaark (41) on Wednesday March 04 2015, @06:30PM (#153188) Journal

          I think i'd set up a 'kill switch' (can't think of the correct term i am looking for):

          If i don't get a fair trial and i am kept away from a computer for too long, there is an automatic emailing of unreleased documents...

          ...that way, if i am Guantonamoed (sp?), i can at least get some satisfaction knowing i will have f'd the people who are f'ing me.

          I think i'd stay where i was: how can he get a fair trial when so much of what will be in the trial will be under 'National Security' guidelines that can't be seen by the public at large.
          I think i'd rather be snowd-in in Russia (yes, i know... my humour sucks).

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          • (Score: 2) by TheGratefulNet on Thursday March 05 2015, @12:58AM

            by TheGratefulNet (659) on Thursday March 05 2015, @12:58AM (#153323)

            kill switch (or I think you mean 'dead mans switch') would be the right kind of thinking, but he'd have to go all 'james bond' to really have a safety net. sort of an inverted supervillian (which would be a superhero, I guess).

            you could then call him...

            (wait for it)

            snow-finger!

            "do you expect me to talk, snow-finger?"
            (etc)

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        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Hairyfeet on Wednesday March 04 2015, @07:20PM

          by Hairyfeet (75) <{bassbeast1968} {at} {gmail.com}> on Wednesday March 04 2015, @07:20PM (#153204) Journal

          Exactly if he returns he'll spend the rest of his days in a hole that they forgot the key to, like Assange they WILL make an example out of him and make damned sure he gets life without parole and that is if he's lucky. If he thinks he'll get a fair trial? I have some magic beans he might be interested in.

          I urge everyone to watch the end of America [youtube.com] which is a lecture detailing on how many pages has been taken from classic fascism by our leaders and remember that its gotten MUCH WORSE since this lecture was filmed. Also note that the woman doing the lecture is now on the watch list and harassed and intimidated every time she flies, her "crime"? Giving a lecture on how to invoke your constitutional rights when confronted by authorities.

          I miss the hell out of him but I'm glad my grandfather that came back from fighting WWII in a full body cast isn't alive to see how fascist we've become, you could probably power most of the southern US by wrapping his body in copper, the man is probably spinning like a top in his grave right about now. The sad part is nobody will say or do squat until the economy collapses completely, as long as big mommy can keep cutting those checks so the populace can have their take out and cheapo Chinese widescreens they won't say boo, bread and circuses works as well today as it did 3000 years ago.

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          • (Score: 2, Informative) by Balderdash on Wednesday March 04 2015, @08:09PM

            by Balderdash (693) on Wednesday March 04 2015, @08:09PM (#153214)

            "Espionage" is passing secrets on to a third party in order to enable it to cause damage to the people. Whistleblowing is publishing crimes to the general public in order to enable them to stop the damage to the people.

            Conflating one with the other is exactly what the weaseling cronies in the government would love to do. Even better, blame their crimes on the person who uncovered them. Which is exactly what the talk about all the "damage" Snowden has done is about. Snowden damaged the enemies of the American people, and they will get him for that.

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            • (Score: 4, Interesting) by aristarchus on Wednesday March 04 2015, @09:34PM

              by aristarchus (2645) on Wednesday March 04 2015, @09:34PM (#153251) Journal

              "Espionage" is passing secrets on to a third party in order to enable it to cause damage to the people.

              Very close. Espionage is passing classified information to the enemy. For there to be an enemy, legally, we have to be in a legally declared state of war. We said in signing the UN Charter that we renounce the use of force in international relations, hence, we cannot be in a state of war. Therefore, there is no "enemy", and therefore there is no "Espionage". (Unless the enemy is the American public.)

              • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Wednesday March 04 2015, @11:25PM

                by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Wednesday March 04 2015, @11:25PM (#153289)

                If you release the documents to everyone, then someone deemed to be an enemy by the government will be able to get them too. State of war or not, his actions were correct, as the People always need to know when their government is violating the constitution and violating people's freedoms.

                • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday March 05 2015, @12:24AM

                  by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday March 05 2015, @12:24AM (#153312) Journal

                  If espionage occurs in such a way that you know it has occurred, it is not nearly so harmful. Once you know that they know, unless they don't know that you know that they know, we are on an equal playing field. This is why public release is "journalism", and not espionage. Maybe the enemy knows, but we now know that they know, so we are not giving them any advantage. (Unless, of course, it comes from the Total Information Awareness department, in which case the whole thing might be a disinformation campaign to make us thing we know when actual the enemy knows that what we think we know is not so! See why the whole spy-vs-spy thing is so morally ambiguous?)

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2015, @05:38PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 04 2015, @05:38PM (#153153)

        I would not expect a constitutional court proceeding would be permissible. After all, that would be *illegal*, using the metrics we have used thus far to determine what the US may do to fulfil their end of the bargain.

        As Snowden determined himself, in part by keeping a desktop copy of the Constitution of the United States on his desk when he was a CIA employee, he had learned that there is a difference between what is legal and what is Consitutional.

        I am doubting he intends to return. This is probably another chess piece move on his part in this game, perhaps to expose something else or gain sympthy from another country willing to harbor him.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by hemocyanin on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:42PM

      by hemocyanin (186) on Wednesday March 04 2015, @03:42PM (#153080) Journal

      Also, he should not be tried under the Espionage Act which makes it legally impossible to put on a defense -- a defense being a key part of a fair trial.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by kaszz on Wednesday March 04 2015, @04:32PM

      by kaszz (4211) on Wednesday March 04 2015, @04:32PM (#153114) Journal

      even if he gets a "guarantee" there's no proof they'll actually honor it

      Precisely!

      It can only work if the backlash is harsh enough and will deliver if they break any deal.

      As for courts. The law is written by the opponent, the people handling the law is in the pocket of the opponent, public opinion is manufactured by media companies taking direction from your opponent, random acts can be executed by the opponent but still be blamed on random madman etc. It's all stacked against a single individual.