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Scott Adams of Dilbert fame has posted a blog entry on gender discrimination. His goal is to gather as many links as possible on all sides of the issue; he intends to try to summarize what's out there in a subsequent post. His blog entry includes a few interesting, possibly insightful comments, for example:
"Some men are bullies and assholes. And most men are assholes at least some of the time. When men are bullies and assholes to each other, we interpret it as exactly that. But if I observe those same bullies and assholes mistreating a woman, I interpret it as sexism. I assume others see it the same way.
"The other day a good friend who works as a massage therapist was describing a time in her past she was a victim of gender discrimination. The story sounded convincing to me. Then I asked if she knew I would not have considered her as my massage therapist if she were a man. Cricket noises."
"My larger point today is that any discussion of gender in the workplace is like two blind people standing on an elephant and arguing whether the elephant is a sandwich or a bar of soap. Both are 100% wrong. That includes me."
Personally, I find Adams' writing to be frequently interesting — he at least tries to find his way around traditional blindspots. Sometimes he even succeeds. Since gender discrimination is so often a topic in technical fields, perhaps Soylentils will find this of interest...
(Score: 5, Insightful) by cubancigar11 on Monday March 16 2015, @06:50AM
1. Asking women for money is unmanly while asking man for money is a right.
2. Sweden is the greatest country for gender equality because there are more women than men and men are 16 times more likely to commit suicide than women. [1]
3. A school with more boy students than girls is gender-unequal while a school with more girl students than boys is gender equal. [1]
4. Having a boys-only school is sexism, having a girl-only school is protection from.
5. Fathers don't need to see their kids (2% of child custody and/or visitation cases are in favor of fathers)
6. Seeing your kid at school can be considered kidnapping only if you are a father
7. Having your kids hate you for unimagined crimes is not a problem.
8. More men are trapped in false rape cases than their are rape victims but that is a gender-gap in favor of women so we need tougher rape laws.
9. More men die by work related injuries than women.
10. More men are suffering from high blood pressure than women
11. Men are required to pay maintenance to wife while women are required to - do nothing?
12. A wife can force you to kick your parents out, but you cannot kick her parents out.
13. Men work longer hours without pay while women... get men to work for them?
14. Women are biologically forced to take pregnancy leave and a company is forced by its shareholders to perform, hence it is patriarchy that is discriminating against equal pay for women?
The list can go on and on... but the reality is most people don't know what is gender equality because men enjoy being called privileged while women enjoy being called victim.
Ref.
1. https://in.news.yahoo.com/global-gender-gap-report-one-sided-mens-rights-124803568.html [yahoo.com]
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday March 16 2015, @07:52AM
The list can go on and on
I am sure it can. So isn't it time to come out of the closet?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2015, @01:31PM
See, a man points out discrimination and is insinuated as being homosexual in a way that is also discriminatory to homosexuals.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2015, @02:19PM
No we have to 'suck it up'. We are white men. <sarcasm>They can not possibly be discriminated against. They have all the power right</sarcasm>If we told 'another group' to suck it up we would be discriminatory.
If only we could fight bigotry with even more bigotry! Instead of the knee jerk reaction of 'he has the privilege therefore he does not have issues'. Could be changed to 'hey he has a problem too'.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2015, @09:59PM
The AC did not specify what closet you should come out of. It looks to be a "men's rights" closet, you know, a misogynist closet. Or maybe just linen.
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Tuesday March 17 2015, @03:49AM
So Feminists are fighting for equal rights and and men's rights are misogynists, and/or gays. Did I get it right?
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Tuesday March 17 2015, @05:27AM
So, are you a homophobic or a misandrist?
You might be jesting but this kind of attitude is the reason why we don't have shelters for abused men and why men commit suicide.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2015, @08:00AM
Yep. That's how it goes.
Women. Can't live with 'em, can't keep 'em in a cage in the basement. Sigh.
No. wait. That should be.
Women. Can't live with 'em, can't shoot 'em.
Wait. No. That's not right.
Women. Can't live with 'em, can't make a decent souffle either.
No. This is difficult. Okay. I got it now.
Women. Can't live with 'em, unless you're willing to be a reasonable human being who will listen, compromise and make decisions that benefit both people.
Aww...that's too hard. Fuck it!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2015, @03:29PM
I thought the canonical version of this was:
Women! Can't live with them; pass the beer nuts! [google.com]
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2015, @10:54PM
No, that's still not right.
Women. Can't live with 'em, can't establish an acceptable halfway point.
Just about everything I've seen is always gifted to the woman. Seats? Jobs? Money for being in a minority that's greater than 50% of the population?
There's an old propaganda line that a woman needs to work twice as hard to be thought half as good as a man. A few months ago, at my work, there was a study that showed that women think they're better at everything. Funny, I don't think I've heard a woman admit that a man might be better at something than she is.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2015, @11:23AM
Even worse: Men are much more likely to suffer from erectile dysfunction than women! ;-)
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2015, @12:38PM
You have 14 points and one reference.
Can you provide references for the rest?
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Tuesday March 17 2015, @04:05AM
Look it up yourself. I found out about it myself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate [wikipedia.org]
http://www.hindawi.com/journals/isrn/2013/574973/tab2/ [hindawi.com]
http://hyper.ahajournals.org/content/37/5/1199.abstract [ahajournals.org]
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23749317 [nih.gov]
http://www.falserape.net/falserapeafa.htm [falserape.net]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_accusation_of_rape [wikipedia.org]
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/false-rape-cases-in-delhi-delhi-commission-of-women/1/409320.html [intoday.in] (btw, rape means immediate arrest - and social stigma of arrest is infinitely bigger in India than USA)
sorry... gotta go but you can just do Google and find many many studies. Regarding child rights and visitation rights or rape cases etc., it is hard to gauge the rate of false accusations unless you work closely with them because all this data not only doesn't fir the normal feminist narrative in media, people actually think that it is okay for some innocent men to suffer if one woman can be safer.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 17 2015, @06:21PM
Look it up yourself.
That isn't very convincing but I'm an AC so I appreciate that you provided some links.
"After menopause, however, blood pressure increases in women to levels even higher than in men" (Gender Differences in the Regulation of Blood Pressure)
It is common that people forget that there is a large difference in heart disease risk between pre- and post-menopausal women. Heart disease is the number one killer for both men and women (WHO 2008).
"DiCanio (1993) states that while researchers and prosecutors do not agree on the exact percentage of false allegations, they generally agree on a range of 2% to 10%." (Wikipedia)
I would expect there would be under-reporting but I am doubtful that it is so much more that "More men are trapped in false rape cases than their are rape victims".
"2% of child custody and/or visitation cases are in favor of fathers"
I'll have to find a reference for this. It is a real shame that the system is biased against fathers and I would hope that it isn't that bad.
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Wednesday March 18 2015, @01:40PM
About 1 in 6 custodial parents were fathers (17.8 percent). (http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/p60-240.pdf) 20 years ago. Since then a whole generation has comes that is referred to as 3rd wave of feminism and that actively demands that all rape accusations must be treated as true unless proven false. In India, from where I belong, National Commission of Women, the biggest organization of women was forced to admin that 53% of all reported cases of rape were in fact about consensual sex that didn't led to marriage. It is easy to get this data there because the definition of rape covers sex under promise of marriage. You won't get this data in USA because it is culturally acceptable for men to break-up.
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Wednesday March 18 2015, @01:43PM
About 1 in 6 custodial parents were fathers (17.8 percent). (http://www.census.gov/prod/2011pubs/p60-240.pdf)
DiCanio is wrong and 20 years old. Since then a whole generation has comes that is referred to as 3rd wave of feminism and that actively demands that all rape accusations must be treated as true unless proven false. In India, from where I belong, National Commission of Women, the biggest organization of women was forced to admin that 53% of all reported cases of rape were in fact about consensual sex that didn't led to marriage. It is easy to get this data there because the definition of rape covers sex under promise of marriage. You won't get this data in USA because it is culturally acceptable for men to break-up.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2015, @12:55PM
15. Men can make up whiny loser shit and get modded up to +5, but if women did the same, they'd make +7.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 16 2015, @02:57PM
You mean, women are the better hackers? ;-)
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Tuesday March 17 2015, @04:06AM
Why all of you are AC? Cannot refute me by facts?