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Journal by kolie
whats up soylentils. any good meta discussion of soylent we care to have?
-- other than actual doxxing or CSAM etc don't flag posts here thx --
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Never reveal your best argument.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20, @08:50PM (40 children)
But not the power to overrule janrinok does kolie have! Jan cannot back down, he has committed himself to a process of censorship, and any criticism only makes him double-down, even further shrinking the pool of possible volunteers. The Site is doomed.
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No to mention the IP banning.
Transparency, kolie? For an exercise, please explain to us what "bad posting" is, and why it is grounds for shadow-banning an IP address. I am so threatened by what might happen if the "bad posting" continues, which it might, since I do not know what it is.
And, I am not even a Banned User!
(Score: 2) by kolie on Monday October 20, @08:52PM (7 children)
What IPs are banned?
Bad posting warnings? Go look at the rehash code - that's an automatic trigger.
(Score: 2) by kolie on Monday October 20, @08:56PM (6 children)
Relevant code is Comments.pm - function isTroll
sub isTroll {
my $slashdb = getCurrentDB();
my $user = getCurrentUser();
my $form = getCurrentForm();
return 0 if $user->{seclev} >= 100;
my $good_behavior = 0;
if (!$user->{is_anon} and $user->{karma} >= 1) {
if ($form->{postanon}) {
# If the user is signed in but posting anonymously,
# their karma helps a little bit to offset their
# trollishness. But not much.
$good_behavior = int(log($user->{karma})+0.5);
} else {
# If the user is signed in with karma at least 1 and
# posts with their name, the IP ban doesn't apply.
return 0;
}
}
return $slashdb->getIsTroll($good_behavior);
}
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20, @08:59PM (5 children)
Inapplicable, ACs have no karma! But, you knew that.
(Score: 5, Informative) by kolie on Monday October 20, @09:01PM (4 children)
It IS applicable. This is the cod eexecuting. The further function applies points to ip range history.
########################################################
########################################################
# (And now a word from CmdrTaco)
#
# I'm putting this note here because I hate posting stories about
# Slashcode on Slashdot. It's just distracting from the news, and the
# vast majority of Slashdot readers simply don't care about it. I know
# that this is interpreted as me being all men-in-black, but thats
# bull pucky. I don't want Slashdot to be about Slashdot or
# Slashcode. A few people have recently taken to reading CVS and then
# trolling Slashdot with the deep dark secrets that they think they
# have found within. They don't bother going so far as to bother
# *asking* before freaking. We have a mailing list if people want to
# ask questions. We love getting patches when people have better ways
# to do things. But answers are much more likely if you ask us to our
# faces instead of just sitting in the back of class and bitching to
# everyone sitting around you. I'm not going to try to have an
# offtopic discussion in an unrelated story. And I'm not going to
# bother posting a story to appease the 1% of readers for whom this
# story matters one iota. So this seems to be a reasonable way for me
# to reach you.
#
# What I'm talking about this time is all this IPID crap. It's a
# temporary kludge that people simply don't understand. It isn't
# intended to be permanent, or secure. These 2 misconceptions are the
# source of the problem.
#
# The IPID stuff was designed when we only kept 2 weeks of comments in
# the DB at a time. We need to track IPs and Subnets to prevent DoS
# script attacks. Again, I know conspiracy theorists freak out, but
# the reality is that without this, we get constant scripted
# trolling. This simply isn't up for debate. We've been doing this
# for years. It's not new. We *used* to just store the plain old IP.
#
# The problem is that I don't want IPs staring me in the face. So we
# MD5d em. This wasn't for "security" in the strict sense of the word.
# It just was meant to make it inconvenient for now. Not impossible.
# Now I don't have any IPs. Instead we have reasonably abstracted
# functions that should let us create a more secure system when we
# have the time.
#
# What really needs to happen is that these IDs need to be generated
# with some sort of random rolling key. Of course lookups need to be
# computationally fast within the limitations of our existing
# database. Ideas? Or better yet, Diffs?
#
# Lastly I have to say, I find it ironic that we've tracked IPs for
# years. But nobody complained until we *stopped* tracking IPs and
# put the hooks in place to provide a *secure* system. You'd think
# people were just looking for an excuse to bitch...
########################################################
########################################################
########################################################
sub getIsTroll {
my($self, $good_behavior) = @_;
$good_behavior ||= 0;
my $user = getCurrentUser();
my $constants = getCurrentStatic();
my $ipid_hoursback = $constants->{istroll_ipid_hours} || 72;
my $uid_hoursback = $constants->{istroll_uid_hours} || 72;
my($modval, $trollpoint);
my $minicache = { };
# Check for modval by IPID.
$trollpoint = $self->calcTrollPoint("ipid", $good_behavior);
$modval = $self->calcModval("ipid = '$user->{ipid}'",
$ipid_hoursback, $minicache);
return 1 if $modval calcTrollPoint("subnetid", $good_behavior);
$modval = $self->calcModval("subnetid = '$user->{subnetid}'",
$ipid_hoursback, $minicache);
return 1 if $modval {is_anon};
# Check for modval by user ID.
$trollpoint = $self->calcTrollPoint("uid", $good_behavior);
$modval = $self->calcModval("comments.uid = $user->{uid}", $uid_hoursback);
return 1 if $modval = $trollpoint;
# All tests passed, user is not a troll.
return 0;
}
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 25, @09:23AM (3 children)
So this is why janrinok continues to spam mod relentlessly, in hopes of blacklisting all the available tor exits, an other available ip addresses used by persons practicing free speech. Comment by kolie in IRC confirms. Um, gentlemen, your plan is not succeeding.
You just tried it again.
Not me, dudes! You need to upgrade your censorship software!
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday October 25, @09:32AM (2 children)
Are you going to give us a clue where on IRC? I will argue there is no such comment.
Did you?
[nostyle RIP 06 May 2025]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday October 25, @11:04AM (1 child)
https://logs.sylnt.us/%23soylent/2025-10-22.html [sylnt.us] Oh, wait, not that.
https://logs.sylnt.us/%23soylent/2025-10-20.html [sylnt.us]
Should have kept it on #shitlords, eh?
Why do you think others lie, janrinok? Projection?
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday October 25, @11:39AM
How do you interpret the comment to which you have linked supports kolie's previous statement: "Love the AC(s) in my journal repeatedly showing all they want to do is cause problems and stir up shit th[a]n actually do anything constructive?"
He has asked you to provide links, evidence and examples of what you are claiming. You have not done so. kolie also points out that your comments are, for the moment, nothing more than unsubstantiated allegations.
[nostyle RIP 06 May 2025]
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday October 21, @03:33AM (31 children)
The community and the Board have the power to 'overrule' either of us. But you seem to think that there is some kind of internal battle between us all - there isn't. You have demonstrated in this exchange of comments your ignorance of how this site works, and your attempts at smearing individuals is typical of your behaviour over the last few years. You do not understand the editing process, how the code functions, what roles people play, or the ethos behind this site - which hasn't changed since 2014. We haven't changed - you have.
Yes, you are. Lying is another of your trademarks. You are more like those you profess to despise than you will ever realise.
[nostyle RIP 06 May 2025]
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 21, @02:46PM (29 children)
You and ari should get a room, you are two sides of the same coin.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 21, @07:44PM (28 children)
Ari censors no one. Criticizes, mocks, even ridicules, but he does not attempt to silence anyone. You misunderstand what is going on, dear soylent!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 21, @08:43PM (1 child)
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 23, @08:39AM
You don't have to be alive in order to not censor people. Really funny.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday October 22, @02:33AM (25 children)
Which of "criticizes, mocks, even ridicules" covers the contents of the link to (a very small sample of )statements you have posted? How many times do you have to tell someone to "Fuck Off" before it becomes one of those attributes?
Driving people away from the site IS silencing them.
[nostyle RIP 06 May 2025]
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 22, @03:54AM (24 children)
Fuck off, janrinok! Fuck off to Terre Finis! And when you get there fuck off some more, Keep fucking off until you come back here, and then fuck off again! (Linux can run infinite loops in 5 seconds flat --Linus Torvalds, circa 1997)
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday October 22, @04:26AM (23 children)
So is this an example of the intelligent discussion that you claim you come here for?
[nostyle RIP 06 May 2025]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 22, @02:29PM (20 children)
How many times does someone have to promote political genocide and support terrorism before some folks decide participating on a site may be dangerous? It is similar to the rightwing militias hanging around voting locations to intimidate voters. When does the "not illegal" speech become "silencing others"? What happened to the days when "words can't hurt you snowflake"?
You have told people to leave. An admin telling people to fuck off, albeit more politely, is much more silencing than a random AC without access to more detailed information. I understand your liunts, I understand most spam mods and flagging, I do not understand the tolerance for your blatant hypocrisy and lies, except that people don't realize you have those traits
Go ahead, proceed with character assassination, it is the only tool you seem to have while being incapable of owning your mistakes.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday October 22, @03:53PM (19 children)
You are going round and round in the same arguments, and in particular with a post that occurred over 4 years ago. EVERYBODY can express their opinion. If you don't like it then ARGUE your case against whatever is said. This is a discussion site - not somewhere for you to keep complaining over something that is well in the past.
You are the snowflake - you cannot let one particular comment alone. It was wrong and his statement was ridiculed and contested by numerous posts. Nevertheless he is entitled to an opinion and he can state it if he wishes.
The current activities in the US are wrong in my opinion and it seems also in yours - so get outside and change it. This is NOT the place for making your own political stand in everyone else's journals. I haven't told anyone to leave. But you have that option open to you if you don't like hearing other peoples' views. It is your own personal choice.
Where I have made mistakes I have apologised publicly. I have no problem with doing that. You do enough character assassination of others to keep this site topped up - I have no need to do any more. You have repeatedly criticised Runaway. Why? Didn't you say it correctly the first time? Why do you keep dragging up one single example every time you lose your temper.
You shared an account. You did those things that the comments stated. You have admitted the moderations which have the account name next to each one. But if your story is true then there is absolutely nothing you can produce to prove it. In my opinion parts of it are not even credible. It is also in the past. I have told you that if you wish to comment on-topic any any of the discussions I have no problem with you remaining on this site.
If you want to lecture people then get a job in a school, college or university. This is a community site - you can be part of the community or you can choose to go elsewhere.
[nostyle RIP 06 May 2025]
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday October 22, @03:57PM (18 children)
I will have to correct myself - Runaway1956 made that comment in 2018! Let it go, you will feel better for it.
[nostyle RIP 06 May 2025]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 22, @07:47PM
Your original statement was actually correct. A comment from 2018 is, indeed, more than four years old. As for the comment you're replying to, I believe this applies: https://xkcd.com/386/ [xkcd.com].
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 23, @03:56AM (14 children)
You spend so much time tilting at windmills you don't see the monsters right next to you.
To address your new point I bet you want everyone to forget the Nazis. They were so long ago and have no possible relevance today, said no one.
Odd though, for you of all people to want others to let something go. Weird take dudebro.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday October 23, @07:23AM (13 children)
I am posting this as myself - not as a site administrator.
I am older than you. I do not wish to forget the Nazis. I lost several family members during that war. I have also spent my life in the military fighting against the sort of thing that you are objecting to. I have seen first hand man's cruelty to his fellow man. I have also seen what discrimination against race and religion can do. I have personally witnessed far more terrible things that the current situation in the US can eventually lead to. Prison camps, rape, torture, mutilation, the erasure of entire towns and villages, the mass graves of thousands of people. I have seen the fear in people's eyes and the look of terror on children's faces. I will not forget what I have seen, nor will I forget what I and others like me achieved by fighting against it. It is far from being a perfect world, but it is better than what it might have been.
This site is not the place for that battle. Go and fight it somewhere where you will actually achieve something. Leave your keyboard and go outside to help those who need it. Hiding on a techie discussion site behind your anonymity is wasting your time and preventing others from discussing interesting topics. You will eventually have to talk and listen to the other side, no matter which side you are currently on. Begin by analysing what they say to try to understand what their issues are. Engage them in discussion - exactly what this site is intended for.
Over half the votes collected during the last election appear to have supported your government. Go and address that problem instead of continually verbally insulting a handful of people on here. People with different views exist, and they always will. You, individually and as a country, will have to find a solution to the current problems and learn to live with each other again. Stop being a coward and begin to follow that path.
Show me one comment that you have posted on this site that attempts to find a solution rather than showing your fear of those who hold a different view to yourself. But don't you dare accuse me of protecting those you fear. If something similar happens here I am prepared and willing personally to fight against it again. Are you?
[nostyle RIP 06 May 2025]
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 23, @02:24PM (12 children)
"That person is advocating genocide, what a shit thing to do."
"That person is pushing Nazi ideology, what an asshile."
"That person is engaging in stochastic terrorism, maybe we shouldn't have that kind of talk here."
"Hey moron put down Fox News"
Admin of speech: "You are an idiot that doesn't understand. They didn't say anything illegal, now get censored and harrassed even when you don't break my arbitrary rules. Get insulted dumbass, I get to break all the rules! We call anything we don't like SPAM!"
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The one silencing dissent is you. Find a solution? Yeah, tell Nazis to stop being Nazis, educate them on what their blind acceptance of corporate media is prompting them to support. You censor and harrass comments that do not even break your rules.
You could be more full of shit but it would require some serious effort. Instead you engage in hypocrisy while defending fascists. Please don't be surprised that your anecdotes are not believed. You literally defended the genocide comment as something you would say also. If words don't mean things then stfu already. I am back to thinking you are some manipulative douche with a fake persona because you behave like a barely restrained power tripping edgelord. Don't want people espousing Nazi rhetoric to feel uncomfortable now do we?/puke
Buncha goddamn snowflakes never could take their own medicine.
*******
Ok, I'll address your last bit of humor.
Nice, you updated your harrassment narrative with new insults. I have posted many comments about real solutions, rightwingers want power not problem solving. Can't lead Nazis to water, etc. No comment ID since search does not work without a site subscription, funny that.
But you have, repeatedly. I have tested out your claims by making similar but less violent comments (no personal attack of site users) as the rightwing terrorists and you immediately came to their defense by trying to silence me.
I think we saved yall from the fascists enough while you said you will not help us. Are you trying to claim you fought in WWII? No matter, sounds like teen fantasy fluff to me. Personally I take the box solution hierarchy seriously which is why I get annoyed at those who try and take away the first box. Double for those that take away the first box but only for some.
I have repeatedly said I do not want to censor anyone, other than IF you want polite discussions than stop allowing racism. The site voted and agreed, yet oddly every time I pointed out racist comments you got dismissive and told me to moderate with my non-existant account. Shocking.
"I will happily see 50 million dead liberals if it saves my kids from a future of brown people."
Genocidal and racist, and you defended it saying you would say the same thing if being invaded. Genocide is a specific term buddy, no amount of tough guy insults is going to change what you've said and done.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 23, @02:55PM (11 children)
That is a bug.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 23, @05:06PM (3 children)
Does not matter anyway, the request was not in good faith same as the various lies that admin has never taken responsibility for. For a hot minute I believed their professed good intentions, but then their words and actions demonstrated the truth. Maybe they are useful idiots, who knows on the net these days. Bad operators abound and sock puppet like crazy, and this site is perfectly designed for it with management that gets very suspicious.
(Score: 2) by kolie on Thursday October 23, @05:30PM (2 children)
Ya dumb. Any story i'll dump it all ( SID ) or cid, lmk and we can peruse some flagged commentry. Doesn't seem like you want to take me up on that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 23, @06:12PM (1 child)
I did not make the request. Personal attacks are against the rules, I fully expect you to give yourself a 2 week timeout.
(Score: 2) by kolie on Thursday October 23, @06:48PM
"the request was not in good faith same as the various lies that admin has never taken responsibility for"
Ya this is dumb. More sizzle no steak.
"For a hot minute I believed their professed good intentions, but then their words and actions demonstrated the truth."
Ya this is dumb and a red herring. Words and actions have literally been "What the fuck are you attempting to complain about".
"Maybe they are useful idiots, who knows on the net these days. Bad operators abound and sock puppet like crazy, and this site is perfectly designed for it with management that gets very suspicious."
More complaints, more FUD, no substance.
Where was the personal attack here? Oh that's right. Calling out the random noise that isn't helpful for what it is - empty whinging. Have a fucking point, back it up, and then maybe people will know wtf you have a problem with other than "ADMINS BADDD"
(Score: 2) by kolie on Thursday October 23, @05:32PM (6 children)
I don't think that's the case. I don't login and I can use search fine.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 23, @06:09PM (3 children)
Hey you fixed it. Funny thing, content that should be there is gone. Even Runaway's infamous 50 million dead liberals is gone unless I missed one. Looks like now it is just him whining about 50 million illegals.
Even with the excuse of database backup errors losing multiple months this is not a good look. Thanks for remindimg me to check the search function, it has only reinforced the suspicion that fuckery does indeed go on here :)
Can't speak for anyone else, but all my efforts are to make this place better by reducing admin abuse and encouraging more transparency. Statements like yours again reinforce that there is a lot of narrative control while ostensibly supporting free speech.
I'll fuck off now, give you some time to build your paradise. When I check back in I hope there is less tolerance for manipulative genociders and more tolerance of criticism.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by kolie on Thursday October 23, @06:29PM
I mean - I've given every opportunity for you to point to specific examples or cases, of when these things happen. Other than vague accusations - or specific issues or instances of this kind of thing - all I get are the assertions that there is shit wrong and nothing to back it up.
(Score: 2) by kolie on Thursday October 23, @06:31PM
Read this comment again:
https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=65564&page=1&cid=1421786#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Thursday October 23, @07:18PM
kolie saw the comment claiming that search did not work. It does for most people but perhaps you are an edge case. So he is now working on it to ensure that it will work for everyone - including ACs (and it already works for those ACs who have tried it).
All you can do is criticise him for investigating a problem. He is working in that area of code as we speak. And you are still complaining and making it sound as though kolie is trying to hide data or something. You are ungrateful to say the least.
It seems like you didn't like having your complaints called out. He wants you to give him more details. He cannot guess what problems you are perceiving. Now would be a good time for you to prove your case. You allege that there are so many examples, in which case it shouldn't take you more than a few minutes to present some of them.
People did moderate Runaway1956 adversely for his comments. There was a lot of subsequent discussion, almost all of it critical of what had been written. Nobody is going to go back and add another down-mod to a comment that is already 7 years old. What else do you expect? Why don't you trying engaging with him and discovering what he wants for the future?
We are tolerant of everyone. I defended aristarchus' right to express himself, and I will defend Runaway's right to do the same. I don't agree with either of them on many things. I'm not sure, but it seems that you want people removed from the site because you have a different political viewpoint from them. That isn't very 'free' speech in my opinion. If it is legal under US law then people can say it on this site.
[nostyle RIP 06 May 2025]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 24, @12:51AM (1 child)
FWIW, the search function is a heavy operation for the backend and storage even with a lot of the hard work done by Sphinx. I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't the first thing to start creaking under heavy load. In fact, UI tests often target search as their primary endpoint in many places that do automated tests for responsiveness because it is more sensitive to load conditions.
(Score: 2) by kolie on Friday October 24, @12:59AM
Accurate.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 23, @11:30AM
He wrote it in 2018, but I have the feeling 'Ol Runsaway still wants to murder all us progressives. He never took it back, or apologized.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 23, @02:41PM
"Never believe that anti-Semites are completely unaware of the absurdity of their replies. They know that their remarks are frivolous, open to challenge. But they are amusing themselves, for it is their adversary who is obliged to use words responsibly, since he believes in words. The anti-Semites have the right to play. They even like to play with discourse for, by giving ridiculous reasons, they discredit the seriousness of their interlocutors. They delight in acting in bad faith, since they seek not to persuade by sound argument but to intimidate and disconcert. If you press them too closely, they will abruptly fall silent, loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past.”
Jean Paul Sartre
You are here -> "loftily indicating by some phrase that the time for argument is past."
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 24, @07:29PM
Fuck off for supporting genocidal morons, janrinok! Fuck off for censoring the left! Fuck off for being a purveyor of vax disinformation! Fuck off for only leaving "fuck off" as a rational response to your misbehavior! Fuck off!!!
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 26, @03:14AM
Not sure the "Board" actually exists, outside of for legal reasons. Maybe have seen the alleged Chair post here once, maybe? False Flag Board!!