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Journal by kolie
whats up soylentils. any good meta discussion of soylent we care to have?
-- other than actual doxxing or CSAM etc don't flag posts here thx --
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You will attract cultured and artistic people to your home.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by pTamok on Monday October 20, @09:30AM (3 children)
I don't know if it is good discussion, but I wish to express my appreciation for those who make this site possible, and for the varied and interesting content that gets submitted and posted, both in the articles and journals.
I am extremely grateful that there are people who are doing their best to ensure that the seamier side of human psychology, as expressed often on the Internet, is kept in reasonable check here. The curators are doing a fine job.
I also appreciate very much the continued decision to not use javascript while producing an effective and efficient site. Congratulations are still in order for this fine example of how things can be done. I am half tempted to start learning perl with the aim of being able to help maintain rehash and the site...but that project will have to wait until my time and finances are on a more stable footing.
On the topic of running the site, even though we have IRC, I would suggest that a possible banner headline to be enabled if the site has problems simply saying 'We know the site has performance//data integrity issues, and they are being investigated - article and thread/comments here -> [link]'. At present, it is a bit of a random walk, looking at IRC, journals, and off-topic comments on current articles to find an acknowledgement of problems and current status. Obviously solving the problems comes first. Note, this is a suggestion, not a demand, and I might not be aware of very good reasons why this cannot be done.
Thank you all, again. You are appreciated.
(Score: 4, Informative) by janrinok on Monday October 20, @09:43AM (2 children)
Thank you. Despite my failings I am trying to keep it a site on which people can hold discussions on almost any topic without the interruptions of a handful of idiots.
[nostyle RIP 06 May 2025]
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20, @04:44PM
Says the person that allows factually incorrect idiotic commentary any real nerd would blast out. Can't forget your need to make snarky off topic commentary to flagged comments instead of leaving them alone to be the least disruptive. Then blaming others when your falsehoods are called out. Seriously doc, heal thyself. You are lucky to have a userbase tired of this nonsense and siding with you despite the numerous gaping holes poked in your defense for your abuse and rule breaking. I guess it is ok when The Right People do it eh?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 22, @07:50PM
The vast majority of users here, myself included, do appreciate and support the staff's efforts to keep the trolls and spammers at bay.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20, @04:52PM (7 children)
It's probably a reminder that SN needs the community to submit more stories to the queue. I remember on old school Slashdot, it felt like a big deal to have your story accepted for the front page of the site. You'd edit your own story to an extent, write a blurb, and submit it. There were so many submissions that it was hard to get one accepted. It would certainly help the editors if we edited our own stories to the extent possible and submitted them, and a reminder of that is probably the meta the site needs right now.
For users with accounts, is there any way to maybe have a badge (like the subscriber badge) that shows how many stories they've had accepted in the past 30 or 60 days? Maybe there should be more ways to reward users for submitting stories. What if getting five stories accepted in a month got the user a one month gift subscription?
For journals, what if users without subscriptions had three options: comments enabled, logged-in users, and comments disabled. And then for subscribers, what if new options were added like only logged-in users with accounts that have been active for more than a month, or logged-in users with 20+ karma? Maybe give subscribers a couple of new options, but give the logged-in users option to everyone whether they're a subscriber or not? I know SN needs ways to encourage people to subscribe, so in exchange for making one of those perks free, a couple of new perks get added for subscriptions.
And will SN's financial goal tracker ever return to the front page? I remember that was a big deal, and SN routinely asked for subscriptions to cover their costs. And although I know those costs are down, they still exist. If nothing else, it made users more aware that their subscriptions mattered, because they would see that bar move closer to the goal.
(Score: 2) by kolie on Monday October 20, @06:40PM (6 children)
Actual good shit in here.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20, @08:57PM (5 children)
We were just notified, in jan's latest Meta, that AC submissions to the queue are suspect and given lower priority, lest they be covert ari subs. Nice that Jan also has restricted discussion in the front page Meta, as he is wont to do. Enjoy the bubble, remaining soylentils! You may not even realize that janrinok has created one.
(Score: 2) by kolie on Monday October 20, @09:05PM (4 children)
As a trained editor - we prefer non-anonymous submissions because its the kind thing to do and recognize our users who are given attribution. We take anonymous submissions and in this case "prioritizing" them means literally checking them for suitability for the site first over the others. It has nothing to do with them likely to be Aristarchus. submissions. But keep throwing shit at the wall and see what sticks mate. Grasping at straws on this one as is the usual.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20, @09:22PM (3 children)
What if a submission "sounds like" ari, or comes from an IP that has been maliciously spam modded? Can't even see the wall anymore, bro!
(Score: 2) by kolie on Monday October 20, @09:26PM (2 children)
All submissions and write-ups are given the same consideration and criteria. There was no training on check post for Ari identification and deny stories that would otherwise be posted. AFAIK there is no practice of matching submissions to IP or other identification or spam relation.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 20, @09:52PM (1 child)
Well, that is reassuring!
(Score: 3, Informative) by kolie on Monday October 20, @10:01PM
Further more - any editor can decline or process a story. There is notes we leave "not for me" etc. Any one person can pick it up and run with it depending on their expertise or otherwise - one editors trash might be anothers treasure. An article that fails to be ran has really been declined by EVERY editor going through the queue and still not finding an advocate . Really every article is given the same shake.
(Score: 3, Funny) by mrpg on Monday October 20, @09:52PM (17 children)
Do not feed the trolls.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Tuesday October 21, @03:44AM (2 children)
This journal is asking those with complaints to be up front about them. If you notice kolie is addressing each one of them in turn and correcting their misunderstanding of issues.
The trolls are digging their own holes.
[nostyle RIP 06 May 2025]
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 21, @07:08AM
No trolls here, except King Janrinok, God-emperor of Censor Trolls! My pieces be upon him!
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 21, @10:35AM
Jan the serial flagger has flagged again, despite being requested NOT to do so. Oh, dear, looks like our discussion of "stuff" is over.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 21, @01:38PM
Soylentils are mostly outdated, thinking facts are trolling while trolls are funny. Very 90s era internet culture. I guess that was the point, even floated a 4chan culture for a bit which still pops up these days. None of it is surprising but I had held out hope for this bunch of nerds. Criticism is hard to take, some people never learn how.
(Score: 2) by kolie on Tuesday October 21, @03:47PM (12 children)
I think there is lots of food being offered to trolls.
(Score: 2) by mrpg on Tuesday October 21, @08:35PM (11 children)
It's good to clear the air but I think some of those deserve no time at all.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 21, @10:14PM (10 children)
They probably don't, but I think it is good for people to see what is being posted and what the admins have to deal with. Absent a way to see all flagged posts in their own dedicated area, this seems the next best thing to do that. For some people, absence of evidence is evidence of absence. And others are curious to learn. An occasional public reminder, like war memorials and museums, can go a long way for those people.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday October 22, @10:01AM
Nah, if you want to see real spam, check out the raw feed on journal submissions. Amazing what people think we need and will try to sell.
(Score: 2) by janrinok on Wednesday October 22, @11:05AM (8 children)
Nobody is saying that there isn't a record - only that the software to complete the community access is not yet written. That will change as a result of this trial when we know exactly how it will be managed.
[nostyle RIP 06 May 2025]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday October 23, @11:09PM (7 children)
Nobody said that, not even me. In case my point was lost, I was trying to say that the engagement here with the post that would normally be banned serves a different purpose than it would on a normal discussion thread.
(Score: 2) by kolie on Friday October 24, @01:05AM (6 children)
I had hoped this discussion would be more substantive. Unfortunately, while there are some varied contributions, many posts are simply a rehash of the exact same old spam that typically go flagged. It's tiresome to repeatedly attempt clarifying a point that is simply not being engaged with. This experience confirms, once again, that any endeavor to discuss this banned user in earnest is once again proven futile.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 24, @10:35AM (3 children)
You know what the problem is, and you know what the solution is, kolie. All that remains is to implement it.
(Score: 2) by kolie on Friday October 24, @02:26PM (2 children)
Thx for really clearing that up.
(Score: -1, Spam) by Anonymous Coward on Monday October 27, @10:48AM (1 child)
You really don't understand, at all, do you, kolie? You keep asking, but not listening. I was hopeful when you showed up as the savior of SoylentNews, but now I am starting to see that nothing will change. Sorry.
(Score: 2) by kolie on Monday October 27, @06:09PM
Since you seem intent on arguing purely by ipse dixit, you leave us with no rationale to analyze. You steadfastly refuse to make your esoteric beliefs exoteric for the rest of us. Given this steadfast refusal to provide any logical framework, what is one to conclude, other than that your objective is not consensus, but conflagration?
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 26, @11:27PM (1 child)
I think it has, just not in the way intended. A consideration I have seen that I think has at least some life is that the site is now championing its community nature but the ban is still based on the staff decision. However, if the board and community at large were to take a vote on continuing the ban, I think a simple gesture at this journal and the last time this was attempted would make the vote unanimous. And I would consider doing just that. But, given the subject of the vote, I'd also consider if it would make a practical difference to the situation.
(Score: 2) by kolie on Monday October 27, @08:28PM
I'll get right on it.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday October 26, @10:53AM (1 child)
Thanks for installing this lightning rod. Needs to be renewed from time to time.
(Score: 2) by turgid on Monday October 27, @09:09PM
Lightning Rod [youtube.com] and an emu.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].