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posted by hubie on Tuesday December 02, @11:40AM   Printer-friendly
from the is-this-your-card? dept.

Ethicists say AI-powered advances will threaten the privacy and autonomy of people who use neurotechnology:

Before a car crash in 2008 left her paralysed from the neck down, Nancy Smith enjoyed playing the piano. Years later, Smith started making music again, thanks to an implant that recorded and analysed her brain activity. When she imagined playing an on-screen keyboard, her brain–computer interface (BCI) translated her thoughts into keystrokes — and simple melodies, such as 'Twinkle, Twinkle, Little Star', rang out

But there was a twist. For Smith, it seemed as if the piano played itself. "It felt like the keys just automatically hit themselves without me thinking about it," she said at the time. "It just seemed like it knew the tune, and it just did it on its own."

Smith's BCI system, implanted as part of a clinical trial, trained on her brain signals as she imagined playing the keyboard. That learning enabled the system to detect her intention to play hundreds of milliseconds before she consciously attempted to do so, says trial leader Richard Andersen, a neuroscientist at the California Institute of Technology in Pasadena.

[...] Andersen's research also illustrates the potential of BCIs that access areas outside the motor cortex. "The surprise was that when we go into the posterior parietal, we can get signals that are mixed together from a large number of areas," says Andersen. "There's a wide variety of things that we can decode."

The ability of these devices to access aspects of a person's innermost life, including preconscious thought, raises the stakes on concerns about how to keep neural data private. It also poses ethical questions about how neurotechnologies might shape people's thoughts and actions — especially when paired with artificial intelligence.

Meanwhile, AI is enhancing the capabilities of wearable consumer products that record signals from outside the brain. Ethicists worry that, left unregulated, these devices could give technology companies access to new and more precise data about people's internal reactions to online and other content.

Ethicists and BCI developers are now asking how previously inaccessible information should be handled and used. "Whole-brain interfacing is going to be the future," says Tom Oxley, chief executive of Synchron, a BCI company in New York City. He predicts that the desire to treat psychiatric conditions and other brain disorders will lead to more brain regions being explored. Along the way, he says, AI will continue to improve decoding capabilities and change how these systems serve their users. "It leads you to the final question: how do we make that safe?"

[...] Although accurate user numbers are hard to gather, many thousands of enthusiasts are already using neurotech headsets. And ethicists say that a big tech company could suddenly catapult the devices to widespread use. Apple, for example, patented a design for EEG sensors for future use in its Airpods wireless earphones in 2023.

Yet unlike BCIs aimed at the clinic, which are governed by medical regulations and privacy protections, the consumer BCI space has little legal oversight, says David Lyreskog, an ethicist at the University of Oxford, UK. "There's a wild west when it comes to the regulatory standards," he says.

In 2018, Ienca and his colleagues found that most consumer BCIs don't use secure data-sharing channels or implement state-of-the-art privacy technologies2. "I believe that has not changed," Ienca says. What's more, a 2024 analysis3 of the data policies of 30 consumer neurotech companies by the Neurorights Foundation, a non-profit organization in New York City, showed that nearly all had complete control over the data users provided. That means most firms can use the information as they please, including selling it.

Responding to such concerns, the government of Chile and the legislators of four US states have passed laws that give direct recordings of any form of nerve activity protected status. But Ienca and Nita Farahany, an ethicist at Duke University in Durham, North Carolina, fear that such laws are insufficient because they focus on the raw data and not on the inferences that companies can make by combining neural information with parallel streams of digital data. Inferences about a person's mental health, say, or their political allegiances could still be sold to third parties and used to discriminate against or manipulate a person.

"The data economy, in my view, is already quite privacy-violating and cognitive- liberty-violating," Ienca says. Adding neural data, he says, "is like giving steroids to the existing data economy".

Several key international bodies, including the United Nations cultural organization UNESCO and the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development, have issued guidelines on these issues. Furthermore, in September, three US senators introduced an act that would require the Federal Trade Commission to review how data from neurotechnology should be protected.
Heading to the clinic

While their development advances at pace, so far no implanted BCI has been approved for general clinical use. Synchron's device is closest to the clinic. This relatively simple BCI allows users to select on-screen options by imagining moving their foot. Because it is inserted into a blood vessel on the surface of the motor cortex, it doesn't require neurosurgery. It has proved safe, robust and effective in initial trials4, and Oxley says Synchron is discussing a pivotal trial with the US Food and Drug Administration that could lead to clinical approval.

Elon Musk's neurotech firm Neuralink in Fremont, California, has surgically implanted its more complex device in the motor cortices of at least 13 volunteers who are using it to play computer games, for example, and control robotic hands. Company representatives say that more than 10,000 people have joined waiting lists for its clinical trials.

At least five more BCI companies have tested their devices in humans for the first time over the past two years, making short-term recordings (on timescales ranging from minutes to weeks) in people undergoing neurosurgical procedures. Researchers in the field say the first approvals are likely to be for devices in the motor cortex that restore independence to people who have severe paralysis — including BCIs that enable speech through synthetic voice technology.

As for what's next, Farahany says that moving beyond the motor cortex is a widespread goal among BCI developers. "All of them hope to go back further in time in the brain," she says, "and to get to that subconscious precursor to thought."


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Thexalon on Tuesday December 02, @12:04PM (2 children)

    by Thexalon (636) on Tuesday December 02, @12:04PM (#1425582)

    Whole-brain interfacing is going to be the future. ... It leads you to the final question: how do we make that safe?

    You can't, so don't use it. Otherwise, you're pretty much guaranteed to get, say, messages from the manufacturer that read, for example, "To not send your wife your private thoughts about her best friend and her sister, pay us $30 a month."

    And you might say "Isn't that extortion or blackmail, you know, a crime?" No problem, just put it into the contract that nobody reads that they're allowed to do that, and good luck to whichever guy tries to press the criminal charges and thus has to admit that yes those are his genuine thoughts.

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    • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 03, @01:15AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 03, @01:15AM (#1425654)
      A device that can help people remember stuff will be very useful to many people. Prosthetic memory + savant. Trying to remember X? X pops up. Trying to total up a bunch of numbers or identify a plant? Answer appears. Users could have photo/videographic memory or better.

      Some people will pay. Or their kids/grandkids will pay for them. Grandma can't even remember what she just ate 5 minutes ago? Now she artificially "remembers" even if her wetware no longer does. Heck grandma can now do math she never could.

      So some manufacturers will get the money anyway even if they don't do the blackmail stuff at the start... They'll probably still sell the data and passwords to the NSA etc but blackmailing only needs to involve - we'll turn it off and Grandma won't be as good anymore.
      • (Score: 1, Troll) by aafcac on Wednesday December 03, @05:56AM

        by aafcac (17646) on Wednesday December 03, @05:56AM (#1425674)

        We already have that, it's called writing, photos and videos. A large part of why we developed writing is that it allows us to expand our memory capacity substantially. Memory training can increase the amount of stuff that people can remember to an astonishing degree as well. Plus, anybody that's seen Johnny Mnemonic probably realizes what a bad idea it is. (Great movie, I wish more people would see it as it is truly underrated)

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by SomeGuy on Tuesday December 02, @12:31PM (4 children)

    by SomeGuy (5632) on Tuesday December 02, @12:31PM (#1425583)

    Ya know, if men had these, women would never stop slapping them.

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by pkrasimirov on Tuesday December 02, @02:42PM (2 children)

      by pkrasimirov (3358) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 02, @02:42PM (#1425594)

      You might be surprised by some women thought trains where slapping won't be sufficient at all

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aafcac on Tuesday December 02, @05:33PM (1 child)

        by aafcac (17646) on Tuesday December 02, @05:33PM (#1425605)

        I've personally found that the only thing that works is just flat out leaving the area and leave the fire to burn itself out. Which was a massive issue during the pandemic when there wasn't anywhere to really go for however hours it took for that to burn out.

        • (Score: 5, Insightful) by liar on Tuesday December 02, @06:14PM

          by liar (17039) on Tuesday December 02, @06:14PM (#1425613) Journal

          The way to fight a woman is with your hat - grab it and run

          John Barrymore

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    • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Tuesday December 02, @11:35PM

      by krishnoid (1156) on Tuesday December 02, @11:35PM (#1425642)

      At least one comedian confirms that word-for-word [youtu.be]. Also maybe we could talk to dogs.

  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday December 02, @01:26PM (1 child)

    by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday December 02, @01:26PM (#1425585)

    Ever type something completely unintended just because it's a familiar pattern that "got launched" by mistake?

    TFS reads like a self reported "feeling.". If people are honest, there are a lot of them who speak things automatically without thinking...

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    • (Score: 4, Funny) by acid andy on Wednesday December 03, @12:30AM

      by acid andy (1683) on Wednesday December 03, @12:30AM (#1425649) Homepage Journal

      If people are honest, there are a lot of them who speak things automatically without thinking...

      I find your ideas intriguing and wish to.... Oh! Never mind...

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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by Dr Spin on Tuesday December 02, @01:45PM (4 children)

    by Dr Spin (5239) on Tuesday December 02, @01:45PM (#1425588)

    ... Let YouTube know exactly how much I hate being bombarded with adverts - and the companies that pay for those adverts!

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    Warning: Opening your mouth may invalidate your brain!
    • (Score: 3, Touché) by pkrasimirov on Tuesday December 02, @02:44PM (2 children)

      by pkrasimirov (3358) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 02, @02:44PM (#1425595)

      They know, they just don't care. With a brain implant they will make it look like it was your idea all along. Make it even a life-goal, to buy their product. Or maybe become product...

      • (Score: 2) by krishnoid on Tuesday December 02, @11:41PM (1 child)

        by krishnoid (1156) on Tuesday December 02, @11:41PM (#1425643)

        They'll probably just beam them [youtu.be] directly into your brain at night.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by liar on Wednesday December 03, @03:42AM

          by liar (17039) on Wednesday December 03, @03:42AM (#1425665) Journal

          Or maybe blipverts! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ekg45ub8bsk [youtube.com]

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Headroom_(TV_series) [wikipedia.org]

          In the near-future, investigative TV news reporter Edison Carter uncovers the disturbing secret of a new TV advert device in use by his own employers, Network 23, called "Blipverts", high-intensity high-speed advertisements with the side effect of overloading people's nervous systems, causing them to short circuit or explode. In an attempt to flee with evidence he is caught after a motor accident. The head of Network 23, Ned Grossberg, attempts to find what he knows by brainscan. The resulting AI construct comes to life as Max Headroom.

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    • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Tuesday December 02, @10:52PM

      by mhajicek (51) on Tuesday December 02, @10:52PM (#1425641)

      Use the Brave browser. It blocks ads on YouTube.

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  • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 02, @02:13PM (18 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 02, @02:13PM (#1425589)

    It will just drive it into black ops

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by aafcac on Tuesday December 02, @05:22PM (17 children)

      by aafcac (17646) on Tuesday December 02, @05:22PM (#1425603)

      That right there is why I've thought that developing this stuff is an extremely bad idea. The stuff that requires surgery is slightly less bad, but if a government wants in badly enough and doesn't care what the consequences are if the procedure fails, they'll force the procedure to implant the device.

      I do get that there are some people that would legitimately need this like those that are completely paralyzed and locked in without any ability to communicate in any fashion, but I'm not convinced that this deal with the devil is worth it. The effort really should be put into actually preventing the conditions that lead to that rather than providing such a tempting technology to abuse.

      • (Score: 2, Touché) by khallow on Tuesday December 02, @05:37PM (16 children)

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 02, @05:37PM (#1425606) Journal
        If we don't research it, we won't understand it well enough to develop countermeasures.
        • (Score: 2) by liar on Tuesday December 02, @06:11PM (3 children)

          by liar (17039) on Tuesday December 02, @06:11PM (#1425612) Journal

          PICARD: So what went wrong? Where are it's creators? Where are the people of Minos?
          SALESMAN: Once unleashed, the unit is invincible. The perfect killing system.
          PICARD: Too perfect. You poor fools, your own creation destroyed you. What was that noise?
          SALESMAN: The unit has analysed its last attack and constructed a new, stronger, deadlier weapon. In a moment, it will launch that weapon against the targets on the surface.
          PICARD: Abort it!
          SALESMAN: Why would I want to do that? It can't demonstrate its abilities unless we let it leave the nest.

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          • (Score: 1) by khallow on Tuesday December 02, @08:25PM (2 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 02, @08:25PM (#1425626) Journal
            The obvious rebuttal here was to use the weapon against itself and vacate the premises until the shooting stops.

            There's always a countermeasure.
            • (Score: 2) by liar on Wednesday December 03, @12:15AM (1 child)

              by liar (17039) on Wednesday December 03, @12:15AM (#1425647) Journal

              [Cavern]

              PICARD: That sound again.
              DATA: Another weapon has been launched, sir.
              PICARD: We've got to find some way to stop this system.
              DATA: I would need to see the programme schematic.
              SALESMAN: You've got it.
              PICARD: Is it possible to re-adjust the targeting sequence?
              SALESMAN: Absolutely. It wouldn't be much good without it.
              PICARD: Data, assign it a neutral target.
              DATA: The target must be specific, sir.
              PICARD: Itself, then. Itself or it's own power source.
              DATA: The force of that explosion would destroy this cavern and everyone on the surface.
              SALESMAN: Watch now. This is the fourth and final projectile. The Echo Papa series Six Oh Seven is about to complete this phase of its mission.

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              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 03, @12:18AM

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 03, @12:18AM (#1425648) Journal
                And remember my bit about not being there? There's always a countermeasure.
        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by aafcac on Tuesday December 02, @06:18PM (11 children)

          by aafcac (17646) on Tuesday December 02, @06:18PM (#1425614)

          The problem is that the only way to ensure that it never gets abused is if it's never researched in the first place. I'm not generally much of a luddite, but some technologies are fundamentally so dangerous that we need to be careful about developing in that direction. We've got atomic bombs, we can't undo that. Even if we destroy all of them, destroy all the documents everywhere and summarily execute everybody involved in the project, there is an awareness that it is possible and would in all likelihood be done again by somebody.

          This is the same sort of a thing, without it being done it's just a theoretical like nuclear fusion or space elevators, but the moment somebody manages to make one of these practical, it effectively means that it's a permanent threat to humanity.

          There is no countermeasure to this needed if nobody develops it. And there's no guarantee that anybody is going to develop it. But, if everybody is convinced that somebody else is going to develop it and acts accordingly, that will guarantee that somebody creates it and we all have to suffer for it. It reminds me a bit of Nash Equilibrium or the Prisoner's Dilemma where the winning move is for everybody to refuse to play.

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Tuesday December 02, @08:08PM (10 children)

            by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday December 02, @08:08PM (#1425623) Journal
            You can't ensure that it never gets researched. For a powerful country like China, it's an obvious future tool of social control. That alone is likely to see this technology developed. And they obviously aren't the sole party in the world with both capability and interest.
            • (Score: 2) by aafcac on Tuesday December 02, @10:32PM (4 children)

              by aafcac (17646) on Tuesday December 02, @10:32PM (#1425638)

              Of course not, but that is one of the dumbest justifications for creating something with that sort of potential for harm. While it won't be as fast to know if the technology has been successfully developed as the atomic bomb was, people will work out that it exists afterwards.

              This sort of short-term thinking is why the Chinese are likely to come out ahead eventually. They can afford to think 10 years out, the US mostly doesn't.

              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 03, @12:12AM (3 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 03, @12:12AM (#1425646) Journal
                Only thing dumber would be to dismiss that justification.

                This sort of short-term thinking is why the Chinese are likely to come out ahead eventually. They can afford to think 10 years out, the US mostly doesn't.

                This is great caveman logic.

                Caveman1: Me worry Sun God Thog will bake the Earth. He angry all the time.

                Caveman2: You foolish for say so. Thog be very angry and bake Earth. You fault!

                Interesting how one has stick their head in the sand to avoid a foreseeable problem! But I guess it worked for Thog-induced climate change...

                • (Score: 2, Disagree) by aafcac on Wednesday December 03, @05:52AM (2 children)

                  by aafcac (17646) on Wednesday December 03, @05:52AM (#1425673)

                  Nonsense. Your line of reasoning is unsophisticated, the Prisoners Dilemma wasn't even a studied thing until the mid-20th century. For most of the history of our species, the assumption would have been to do whatever it is before the other group did and thus ensure that it happened in most cases. The sophisticated line of reasoning is to recognize that if nobody does it first that it won't be done at all. As dangerous as this technology is, it's not so dangerous that it is likely to end a major country, there are strategies to address that which could be employed.

                  • (Score: 2, Touché) by khallow on Wednesday December 03, @01:02PM

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 03, @01:02PM (#1425697) Journal

                    Your line of reasoning is unsophisticated,

                    It's unsophisticated because it doesn't need to be sophisticated. I don't believe in sophistication for the sake of sophistication.

                    The sophisticated line of reasoning is to recognize that if nobody does it first that it won't be done at all.

                    The obvious rebuttal: "IF".

                    Your argument is a wish fulfillment fantasy. We have a scary-dangerous technology so the obvious solution is to not research it. When pressed about what we should do when someone develops the technology anyway, you just dig the hole deeper.

                    Sorry, it's time for plan B. We wouldn't be seeing this sort of story coming out if there was a comfortably large obstacle to anyone developing the technology.

                  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by khallow on Wednesday December 03, @07:03PM

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 03, @07:03PM (#1425725) Journal

                    the Prisoners Dilemma wasn't even a studied thing until the mid-20th century. For most of the history of our species, the assumption would have been to do whatever it is before the other group did and thus ensure that it happened in most cases.

                    Group identity is itself a cooperative solution to the prisoners dilemma. The prisoners dilemma is one of the oldest problems in existence. We see prisoners dilemma issues in microbe behavior, for example [phys.org]. The usual solution whether microbes, primitive societies, or modern civilization is to change the payoffs so that cooperation is advantageous.

                    Here, we have not only payoff for defection, but opportunity for a social wood deception strategy. Defection is even more advantageous if you can get the majority of the world to cooperate.

                    My view? If you don't want such technology to be abused then be prepared to provide a military-grade response.

            • (Score: 2) by liar on Wednesday December 03, @03:56AM (4 children)

              by liar (17039) on Wednesday December 03, @03:56AM (#1425667) Journal

              If you haven't seen it, a movie you might find interesting: The Creator (2023) From Wikipedia:
              Plot
              In 2055, an artificial intelligence created by the U.S. government detonates a nuclear warhead over Los Angeles, California. In response, most of the Western world pledges to eradicate AI to prevent humanity's extinction. Their efforts are resisted by New Asia, a region comprising East, South and Southeast Asia, whose people continue to embrace AI. The U.S. military aims to assassinate "Nirmata",[a] the chief architect behind New Asia's AI advancements, using the USS NOMAD (North American Orbital Mobile Aerospace Defense), a space station capable of launching destructive attacks from orbit.

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              • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 03, @09:16PM (3 children)

                by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 03, @09:16PM (#1425737) Journal
                Glancing at the cribbed plot, I wonder how someone accidentally blows up a city. I know it's possible. Both the US and USSR came close during the Cold War.
                • (Score: 2) by liar on Wednesday December 03, @10:19PM

                  by liar (17039) on Wednesday December 03, @10:19PM (#1425748) Journal

                  I have only watched part of this movie so far, but as far as I can tell, the AI is built into multiple bodies ( a synthetic race?)... individuals, viewed as Human in Asia, and machines in the west. And, was the detonation an accident...

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 03, @10:22PM (1 child)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 03, @10:22PM (#1425749)

                  Glancing at the cribbed plot, I wonder how someone accidentally blows up a city.

                  Oh c'mon! Did you ever question how how the Enterprise goes back in time?

                  • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 10, @03:12AM

                    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 10, @03:12AM (#1426369) Journal
                    Bike shed effect. Time travel is hard. Not blowing up cities is easy. Guess which one gets questioned?
  • (Score: 3, Funny) by Mojibake Tengu on Tuesday December 02, @05:39PM (11 children)

    by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Tuesday December 02, @05:39PM (#1425608) Journal

    I welcome this technology. Wholeheartedly welcome.

    After 5500 years, this may facilitate scientific detection of secret blood cultists and religious fanatics gripping humanity with their own tribal book-supported supremacy prejudice.

    First step enabling to prune them out across the global population without racial or tribal hedging.

    This is the new dawn we have been waiting for, for millenia.

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    • (Score: 3, Touché) by JoeMerchant on Tuesday December 02, @08:06PM (2 children)

      by JoeMerchant (3937) on Tuesday December 02, @08:06PM (#1425622)

      > this may facilitate scientific detection of secret blood cultists and religious fanatics gripping humanity with their own tribal book-supported supremacy prejudice.

      When they're secret, how do you know that it's not blood cultists and religious fanatics behind the happiest and most free societies on the planet?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 03, @03:56PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 03, @03:56PM (#1425719)

        When they're secret, how do you know that it's not blood cultists and religious fanatics behind the happiest and most free societies on the planet?

        Are you referring to the Swiss?
        https://youtu.be/gIZszF-QTZQ?t=839 [youtu.be]

        • (Score: 2) by JoeMerchant on Thursday December 04, @01:02AM

          by JoeMerchant (3937) on Thursday December 04, @01:02AM (#1425758)

          I spent a little time in Switzerland - cool place, not sure I'd use "happy" as my first description of the people.

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    • (Score: 1) by pTamok on Wednesday December 03, @09:47AM (4 children)

      by pTamok (3042) on Wednesday December 03, @09:47AM (#1425685)

      The "secret blood cultists and religious fanatics gripping humanity with their own tribal book-supported supremacy prejudice" will use it to identify non-members and make sure that the non-cultists cannot achieve power or challenge their own. The technology is two-way.

      People hungry for power will tend to achieve powerful positions. That will not change. What the rest of us need to do is make sure that those in power are prevented from being too damaging.

      Power has transferred successfully between the generations in North Korea (Cult of Person) and China (Cult of the Party). I'm curious to see if or how that will be disrupted. The USA appears to be attempting a transition from an imperfect democracy to a plutocracy, if you apply the concept of 'the purpose of the system is what it does'. In the same vein, the purpose of the EU appears to be government by trans-national lobbyists.

      • (Score: 2) by gnuman on Wednesday December 03, @12:23PM (3 children)

        by gnuman (5013) on Wednesday December 03, @12:23PM (#1425695)

        purpose of the EU appears to be government by trans-national lobbyists

        Seems to be better than war, no? It's amazing how EU evolved into a boogey-man. Keep it up, and you will get to the US-style disaster followed by Russian-style dictatorship. Institutions do not survive protracted attempts at undermining them. They can only delay it a few years in hope that the voters de-radicalize themselves in the meantime. If not, then there's no need for voting anymore.

        • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 03, @01:23PM (2 children)

          by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 03, @01:23PM (#1425700) Journal

          purpose of the EU appears to be government by trans-national lobbyists

          Seems to be better than war, no? It's amazing how EU evolved into a boogey-man. Keep it up, and you will get to the US-style disaster followed by Russian-style dictatorship.

          Depends on what happens in the long run. My take [soylentnews.org] on that:

          It annoys me when people lose their shit over retarded reasons such as democracy happening as advertised. Brexit didn't happen in a vacuum or because Putin managed to scrape together enough funding. It happened because there is long term and continued dissatisfaction with the EU in the UK and elsewhere and because the EU is an increasingly anti-democratic regime that the UK and other countries haven't signed up for. I bet if we really thought about it, we could come up with something that prevents the Second World War and doesn't require a growing bureaucratic cancer in Brussels.

          Almost ten years later and no reason to revise my words.

          Institutions do not survive protracted attempts at undermining them.

          Keep in mind that the chief source of undermining comes from the institutions themselves. Sure, you can undermine an institution by attacking its funding and other resources. But you can also undermine it by having the institution veer off what it was intended to do and lose its purpose. That incidentally is much easier to do.

          And my take is that the EU needs a revised constitution to shift to greater democracy. Else we will have growing need to undermine it.

          • (Score: 2, Insightful) by whibla on Thursday December 04, @09:34AM (1 child)

            by whibla (2352) on Thursday December 04, @09:34AM (#1425785)

            Brexit didn't happen in a vacuum or because Putin managed to scrape together enough funding. It happened because there is long term and continued dissatisfaction with the EU in the UK and elsewhere and because the EU is an increasingly anti-democratic regime that the UK and other countries haven't signed up for.

            "If you repeat a lie often enough people will believe it, and you will come to believe it yourself" - J Goebbels

            The EU is not increasingly anti-democratic. It is exactly as (un)democratic as it has ever been. They do make some stupid-arse decisions, I'll grant, but they have also improved the lives of the vast majority of the population of Europe. Most of the problem, most of the (real, rather than manufactured) dissatisfaction stems from the fact that, as it grew in size, and in threading the line between the various interested parties, the number of people who were not 'perfectly' happy with the system grew. Quelle surprise! A compromise solution, by its very nature, means that (almost) everyone is partially dissatisfied with the outcome. What people do not generally recognise, however, is that the cumulative sum of dissatisfaction is lower than whatever the alternatives were, even if one of those alternatives meant that you or I personally would have been individually happier.

            I wonder, though, if you ever asked yourself, honestly: why was there "long term and continued dissatisfaction with the EU in the UK?"

            Years and years of stories in the British 'newspapers', specifically designed to enrage people - bendy bananas, no more pint glasses, can't call a sausage a sausage, and so on and so forth. The problem wasn't the EU, per se. The problem was the perception of the EU, as created by (one or two particular) 'journalists' - yes Boris, I mean you - and their editors, wanting 'stories' that sold more 'newspapers'.

            Ah well. All good things come to an end.

            • (Score: 1) by khallow on Thursday December 04, @02:29PM

              by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Thursday December 04, @02:29PM (#1425800) Journal

              The EU is not increasingly anti-democratic. It is exactly as (un)democratic as it has ever been.

              You can repeat that as often as you like.

              who were not 'perfectly' happy

              Nobody is ever perfectly happy. That's not how happy works. Further, consider how weak that statement actually is. There are people who aren't perfectly happy in the EU. There were people who weren't perfectly happy under Stalin's USSR. Can we conclude some sort of equivalence from that?

              I wonder, though, if you ever asked yourself, honestly: why was there "long term and continued dissatisfaction with the EU in the UK?"

              Years and years of stories in the British 'newspapers', specifically designed to enrage people - bendy bananas, no more pint glasses, can't call a sausage a sausage, and so on and so forth. The problem wasn't the EU, per se. The problem was the perception of the EU, as created by (one or two particular) 'journalists' - yes Boris, I mean you - and their editors, wanting 'stories' that sold more 'newspapers'.

              I think the problem here is that you aren't asking yourself honestly. Those stories are somewhat exaggerated, but they reflect real grievances which as it turns out were large enough to drive Brexit.

    • (Score: 2) by gnuman on Wednesday December 03, @12:18PM (2 children)

      by gnuman (5013) on Wednesday December 03, @12:18PM (#1425694)

      After 5500 years, this may facilitate scientific detection of secret blood cultists and religious fanatics gripping humanity

      Looking in the mirror?

      Cultists and religious fanatics are not limited to established religions, or even any religion. Any belief lends itself to fanaticism and cult-like behaviour. For example, let's take Global Warming ... and before some cultist mods me down, despite Global Warming being a true fact at this point, you will still see fanaticism on both sides of this non-debate. It's 100% true that we need to decarbonize the economy, yet, there will be deniers that completely ignore facts and other fanatics that will glue themselves to roads because "all cars are bad" without understanding that the entire economy is CO2-spewing machine.

      So no, replacing some religious texts with book burning crusades of the anti-religion cultists is not going to make things better.

      There are only two things that make things better:
          1. faith in each other -- you know, our society relies on this whether you like it or not, AND
          2. being busy, as in taking on tasks to do. That is, not being "consumers" but "creators"

      when you can do these two simple things, you will no longer be radicalizable and you will find contentment and happiness. This recipe has been the same for many thousands of years. And recipe for disaster is always via fear which leads to hate which leads to destruction.

      • (Score: 2) by Mojibake Tengu on Thursday December 04, @07:15AM (1 child)

        by Mojibake Tengu (8598) on Thursday December 04, @07:15AM (#1425779) Journal

        No, not looking into mirror, sorry about that.

        Looking at Palestine.

        But that's just some current event.

        Jews are above all nations and Chabad is above the Jews.
        -- Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson

        Jared Kushner is member of Chabad Lubavitch Boston. His wife, Ivanka Trump converted as a member of Chabad Lubavitch New York. Vladimir Putin is a member of Chabad Lubavitch Moscow.
        City of London Corporation is a Zionist central for more than a 1000 years now, chartered 1067. Their atrocities in India and Africa were not forgotten at least by my Indian friends.

        It is impossible for me to not radicalize myself against anyone who systematically wants to colonize and enslave the whole planet, for thousands of years in a row. Intentionally destroying other cultures in the process...

        I have no faith in enslavers and murderers, organized themselves into cults. I am not idiot.
        You have just hardened me more radical.

        --
        Rust programming language offends both my Intelligence and my Spirit.
        • (Score: 2) by gnuman on Friday December 05, @10:15AM

          by gnuman (5013) on Friday December 05, @10:15AM (#1425877)

          Jews are above all nations and Chabad is above the Jews.

          So, if you replace any other group here, it's basically a statement of supremacy. It's kind of opposite of what I wrote too. You may just put Aryans and Nazis above and it fits well.

          It is impossible for me to not radicalize myself against anyone who systematically wants to colonize and enslave the whole planet, for thousands of years in a row. Intentionally destroying other cultures in the process...

          But you have to understand *why* they are doing this. And it's not "them", it's for any "other" finds and fights "enemies". They are doing this not because of kumbaya feelings or actually even feeling supremacy. This all happens when you allow *fear* to drive you. Someone that says "I'm better than all of you untermenschen" is not saying this because they are happy or actually powerful. They do this because they are scared shitless of the very people they belittle. You may have noticed, this is always the "we must defend us from the ...." and then you put here savages or whatever. This is a mindset of fear. This is how cults indoctrinate members.

          You have just hardened me more radical.

          No, that I'm definitely not doing. You can't even look into the mirror, after all.

          You can fight fire with fire. You get more fire. Then the cycle repeats. Then when everyone is tired, they try to find solace and magically rediscover faith. Eventually complacency sets in. Fear wedges itself into mindsets and then it drives hate. Then back to fire with fire?

          Personally, I always thought that you have to be radical against radicals. In some ways, that gives satisfaction. But, it does not prevent more radicals from radicalizing themselves. And today, that is even easier. For everyone, you can find a way to radicalize them. For everyone, you can find something they will be disturbed by. There is a reason why you do not want righteous people as members of police -- you want people to enforce the law, not take it into their own hands.

          The *only* solution we have is faith in each other. This also means de-radicalizing the radicalized. Only then things will get better. More seriously, look around you. Look at your neighbourhood. Walk and look around. Talk to people. Then you realize that people that are living there are better off than almost anyone 100 years ago. Better than kings 200 years ago, that's for sure. We do not have 1 dead child for every 2 born -- that was *normal*. For millions of years. So, the question is, do you want to improve this or burn it all? Life is not as scary as you imagine. But without faith, it can be worse than you can image.

  • (Score: 2) by Whoever on Tuesday December 02, @07:18PM (1 child)

    by Whoever (4524) on Tuesday December 02, @07:18PM (#1425618) Journal

    How does this work for people with Aphantasia? [wikipedia.org]

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 02, @08:08PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 02, @08:08PM (#1425624)

    me worry?

    A E Newman

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 02, @09:07PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday December 02, @09:07PM (#1425630)

    From tfa,

    ... "It felt like the keys just automatically hit themselves without me thinking about it," she said at the time. "It just seemed like it knew the tune, and it just did it on its own."
    Smith's BCI system, implanted as part of a clinical trial, trained on her brain signals as she imagined playing the keyboard. ...

    I'm going to assume that the output of the system was to a MIDI device. So why not add a variable delay to the MIDI commands? This would compensate for the delay while her brain brings the internal brain-signals into her consciousness?

    Then Ms. Smith could vary the delay until it felt like she was doing the playing.

  • (Score: 2) by DadaDoofy on Tuesday December 02, @10:21PM (5 children)

    by DadaDoofy (23827) on Tuesday December 02, @10:21PM (#1425637)

    So it's a wearable. Don't wear one and you'll be fine.

    Wake me when they announce the quantum version that's works spookily at a distance.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by aafcac on Tuesday December 02, @10:34PM (1 child)

      by aafcac (17646) on Tuesday December 02, @10:34PM (#1425639)

      To some extent that's valid, but if they've got one that can be worn on the outside, there's nothing in particular to stop people from strapping you down and putting it on and it's probably not that much of a leap forward to have a version that can be implanted.

      • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 03, @02:51AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday December 03, @02:51AM (#1425661)

        > ...a version that can be implanted.

        I see a future where microwave ovens are hacked to work with the door open (or the magnetron removed)...so people can microwave their head (briefly) and destroy the chip(s) that have been implanted.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Wednesday December 03, @03:58AM (2 children)

      by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday December 03, @03:58AM (#1425668)

      Don't wear one and you'll be fine.

      "I'm sorry, but for continued employment at Virtucon, you are required to use a BCI. We here at Virtucon management have determined that it's far more efficient than any other possible way of working."

      "I'm sorry, but in order to be considered for employment at Acme, Inc, you will need to install a BCI."

      Etc etc etc. You can stick to your vaunted principles, but sooner or later will get hungry enough to consider changing those principles.

      --
      "Think of how stupid the average person is. Then realize half of 'em are stupider than that." - George Carlin
      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday December 03, @09:32PM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday December 03, @09:32PM (#1425740) Journal
        Or start up a business that doesn't require a BCI. When we get scenarios like this we have to ask: what will drive the inefficiency? Competition with businesses that aren't buying the costly infrastructure will end that scenario.
      • (Score: 1) by Bentonite on Thursday December 04, @06:12AM

        by Bentonite (56146) on Thursday December 04, @06:12AM (#1425776)

        I never put on such proprietary wrongthink scanner and not being able to become a wageslave certainly isn't a negative.

        A similar thing has already occurred at many businesses who require purchase of the latest demon rectangle to be an employee - but it's best to not work at such abusive businesses.

        In most countries, if you don't work full time, you're not going to starve, but you're not going to be able to afford private housing (oh wait, in many countries you can't afford private housing even if you do work full time).

        If you're that worried about starving, I guess you could tell your local government that you intended to starve yourself - most of them will respond to that by force feeding their property.

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