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Paypal billionaire Peter Thiel...has teamed up with the grandson of libertarian icon Milton Friedman, Patri Friedman, to try and develop a “seastead,” or a permanent and autonomous dwelling at sea. Friedman formed the “Seasteading Institute” in 2008, and Thiel has donated more than a million dollars to fund its creation...
they claim a floating city could be just years away. The real trick is finding a proper location to build this twenty-first century Atlantis. Currently, they are attempting to find a host nation that will allow the floating city somewhat close to land, for the calm waters and ability to easily travel to and from the seastead.
In recent years there have been reports of similar efforts, like the Freedom Ship, a floating city designed to house 50,000 people, with a landing strip on top of the vessel.
Such concepts raise the questions, "Can these communities create new social structures when the subconscious societal norms we all grow up with have such a powerful influence on our expectations?" and "Is the ocean really the best place to site these communities, given how powerful, treacherous, and corrosive an environment the sea is?"
(Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Thursday March 19 2015, @02:12AM
Corrosive? Tell that to 5-10 billion tones of biomass in the sea, perhaps they'll laugh.
Ah, you mean corrosive to man-made structures? What, you think the libertarians will be backing off from the survival of the fittest fight? Piece of cake, I tell you
(grin)
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(Score: 4, Interesting) by carguy on Thursday March 19 2015, @02:29AM
Maybe it will be made of Titanium? This site compares an undersea pipe installation and concludes that the installed cost is less(!!) for Ti when compared to ordinary carbon steel (plus painting), http://www.azom.com/article.aspx?ArticleID=2755 [azom.com]
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday March 19 2015, @02:52AM
See? Piece of cake, I told yea.
(grin)
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2015, @02:30AM
http://www.bssa.org.uk/topics.php?article=100 [bssa.org.uk]
http://www.marinecorrosionforum.org/explain.htm [marinecorrosionforum.org]
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday March 19 2015, @02:51AM
I have no qualms with the steel corrosion by sea water, but I think it's a bit an exaggeration to stick a "Corrosive substance" label on the surface of the ocean(s).
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(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2015, @02:59AM
It's not an exaggeration if you're engineering a ship or semi-permanent seastead and have to deal with the effects of seawater on your project.
(Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Thursday March 19 2015, @03:34AM
Seawater is extremely corrosive to most metals, so in context (the topic is human habitats at sea, which with today's technology means some kind of ship made of metal) it's entirely accurate and not an exaggeration at all.
(Score: 2) by CoolHand on Thursday March 19 2015, @12:37PM
This might be a stupid thought for some reason of which I'm not thinking, but, why wouldn't they start building hulls of ships and structures like this out of plastic? We know that the ocean definitely isn't very corrosive to that.. [wikipedia.org]
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(Score: 2) by Immerman on Thursday March 19 2015, @05:16PM
Most likely because while it may be immune to seawater, it's generally highly vulnerable to sunlight, and will lose structural integrity rapidly. Plus the strength-to-weight ratio is usually pretty bad even when new, an important consideration when your fuel costs scale by the ton.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 19 2015, @07:13PM
That's not a problem. The builder of the city will be liable to make amends to any survivors after failure of the structure, assuming such language was put into the contract, and assuming that there was a government entity with standing to enforce the contract. Future floating cities would, of course, benefit from the free market forces that would discourage future floating city builders from building unsound structures.