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posted by Dopefish on Saturday March 15 2014, @07:24AM   Printer-friendly
from the who-cares-about-future-generations dept.

Papas Fritas writes "Megan Gannon reports on Live Science that, according to a new poll, although most Americans believe the effects from global warming will take hold during their lifetime, they don't expect these changes to pose a serious threat to their way of life. A Gallup survey found that 54 percent of Americans believe global warming is already impacting the planet; another three percent think these effects will occur in a few years and eight percent think these effects will occur in their lifetime.

Meanwhile, 16 percent think global warming's effects will happen sometime after they die, and 18 percent don't expect these effects to ever take hold. But the way the public perceives the reality of global warming seems to be somewhat disconnected from how they perceive the threat of a warming world. Just 36 percent of people in the United States think global warming will eventually disrupt their way of life, they survey found.

Age also affected how people saw the effects of a changing climate. Among Americans ages 18 to 29, Gallup found that 78 percent thought the effects of global warming were already occurring or would occur during their lifetime. Just 47 percent of seniors (those 65 and over) said the same. Gallup officials say their poll's results could explain why Americans don't politically prioritize environmental issues; instead, their top concerns are issues that will affect them immediately, like the economy and health care.

"Whatever the reasons, those who argue climate change is the top problem of our age are no doubt aghast that even now, in 2014, Americans are not more worried or concerned than they are. A lot of the efforts to raise concern levels and awareness to date have obviously not worked well. It may be that new tactics are needed. So far, however, even if it is a case of whistling past the graveyard, Americans are clearly more focused on other issues.""

 
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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday March 15 2014, @12:00PM

    by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday March 15 2014, @12:00PM (#16809) Homepage Journal

    Of course, ultimately you are right. We are just lowly Soylentils, and can never know for sure. But realistically we have to accept the consensus. Anything else is betting against the odds.

    Can't, the scientific method prevents me. Right now what they have is not a theory, it's a hypothesis that they've tested using only computer simulations (Going by computer simulations, I'm a god with a sniper rifle. Turns out this is not in fact the case.).

    When they can reliably make predictions that are borne out by actual data, I'm willing to listen.

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Open4D on Saturday March 15 2014, @12:22PM

    by Open4D (371) on Saturday March 15 2014, @12:22PM (#16819) Journal

    When they can reliably make predictions that are borne out by actual data, I'm willing to listen.

    They have made predictions for what will happen to our planet if we keep emitting 29 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere per year. This is one science experiment I very much hope we don't proceed with.

    • (Score: 5, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Saturday March 15 2014, @01:09PM

      by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Saturday March 15 2014, @01:09PM (#16827) Homepage Journal
      It's a necessary one though, so this doesn't have to happen again. Right now we have all the certainty of a Christianity vs. Islam debate, with just as many facts and even less civility. If we were to stop producing carbon on this level without any proof, it could all very well happen again in another hundred years or so. Once it's a tested theory though, deniers will be few and in the same category of brilliance as people who think the moon landing was a hoax.
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      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Cold Fjord on Saturday March 15 2014, @05:41PM

        by Cold Fjord (129) on Saturday March 15 2014, @05:41PM (#16883)

        all the certainty of a Christianity vs. Islam debate, with just as many facts and even less civility

        Which debate caused an airplane to be flown into a building? Figure that out, then tell me which debate is less civil.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by sumdumass on Saturday March 15 2014, @07:15PM

          by sumdumass (413) on Saturday March 15 2014, @07:15PM (#16904)

          all the certainty of a Christianity vs. Islam debate, with just as many facts and even less civility

          Which debate caused an airplane to be flown into a building? Figure that out, then tell me which debate is less civil.

          From the World Health Organization [who.int]:

          Worldwide, outdoor air pollution contributes to 5% of all cardiopulmonary deaths

          More people are dying from air pollution than over a plane hitting a building.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Open4D on Saturday March 15 2014, @07:25PM

    by Open4D (371) on Saturday March 15 2014, @07:25PM (#16910) Journal

    (Going by computer simulations, I'm a god with a sniper rifle. Turns out this is not in fact the case.).

    I presume you're joking about a computer game. Whereas genuine computer simulations should definitely not be rejected out of hand. For example, computer simulations of nuclear weapons are sufficiently good that this DoD associate argues [cryptome.org] that the "decontrol of supercomputers" and the shift away from real world nuclear weapons testing is making us less safe.

    • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday March 16 2014, @04:18PM

      And we know they are good because they've been tested against actual explosions. Where is the making and verifying predictions in climate simulations? All the opinions agreeing don't mean a damn if your simulations can't show they reliably match future real world data.
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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Open4D on Sunday March 16 2014, @05:58PM

        by Open4D (371) on Sunday March 16 2014, @05:58PM (#17222) Journal

        And we know they are good because they've been tested against actual explosions.

        If computer models of nuclear weapons have been used to make successful predictions about subsequent nuclear weapon tests, that should further increase our confidence in computer modelling in general. As I say, it should definitely not be rejected out of hand.

         

        Where is the making and verifying predictions in climate simulations?

        They have made predictions for a range of scenarios. We only have one Earth to experiment with, so we have to choose which scenario we're going to test for the next 30 years. I'd really rather we tested the scenario that optimized our overall risk/benefit position. Hint: that's not the one which involves continuing to emit 29 billion tonnes of carbon dioxide into the atmosphere per year.