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posted by martyb on Monday March 30 2015, @09:27AM   Printer-friendly
from the of-course-there-are-no-backups dept.

Anyone who follows American politics will have heard of Hillary Clinton's email server. Rather than using an official State Department address, she chose to use a private server for her official email. Federal law requires all official email to be archived on government servers. Armchair lawyers have pointed out that it doesn't require the use of government servers to send and receive the email, but the archival requirement is clear. This requirement was clearly violated in this case: in response to a subpoena, Hillary Clinton's private staff extracted emails from her private server and turned them over to the government. The contents of the server itself were never made available to the government, and now she has had the server erased:

Hillary Clinton wiped “clean” the private server housing emails from her tenure as secretary of state, the chairman of the House committee investigating the 2012 terrorist attacks in Benghazi said Friday.

“While it is not clear precisely when Secretary Clinton decided to permanently delete all emails from her server, it appears she made the decision after October 28, 2014, when the Department of State for the first time asked the Secretary to return her public record to the Department,” Rep. Trey Gowdy (R-S.C.), chairman of the Select Committee on Benghazi, said in a statement.

As Popehat tweeted:

@Popehat
I ask you, who among us hasn't wiped a server clean after its contents were requested by subpoena?

I naively wonder why she isn't in jail, but that's just me. Comments and views from those interested in American politics?

 
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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by isostatic on Monday March 30 2015, @12:47PM

    by isostatic (365) on Monday March 30 2015, @12:47PM (#164204) Journal

    People died in Benghazi, and it was preventable

    45,000 people a year die from lack of access to healthcare [harvard.edu]

    Entirely preventable.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Sulla on Monday March 30 2015, @01:48PM

    by Sulla (5173) on Monday March 30 2015, @01:48PM (#164225) Journal

    I really enjoy how this whole issue has all come back to her justifying bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior.

    Private email? So did the governor of florida
    Killing Americans? Doesn't matter anymore we have to fix healthcare deaths
    Helicopter shot at? Lots of people forget about events, what about bill oreilly
    Deleting emails? Why don't you go look at Sarah Palin stuff first

    The biggest problem with everything Clinton has done is when she was campaigning for president against Obama she made herself out to be a vigilant watchguard of the people. Taking that 3am phone call and making the right decision.

    A CIA director called to ask for authorization to relieve the embassy. Either she or one of her people gave the order to stand down. Four Americans (possibly only two could have been saved with relief) were killed, ambassador drug through the streets. Despite evidence showing contrary blamed it on a radical film maker who ended up in jail.

    When a legislative group looks into this she dodges the questions, diverts blame, and when it finally comes down to the wire it is learned all of her emails were at her home. Then when pressed, she has them erased.

    Although much more severe because he was president, this got Nixon impeached. If this had been anyone except hillary they would have been destroyed. Kerry would not have gotten this support, Reid would not have, Boner would not have, not even Jeb Bush. This is about Hillary and her lust for power, nothing else.

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    • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Monday March 30 2015, @04:39PM

      by isostatic (365) on Monday March 30 2015, @04:39PM (#164344) Journal

      She's a senior politician. Like everyone that's managed to get to that level, she's got masses of corruption in her closet. Same as Obama, Bush II, Clinton I, Bush I, the actor and the ones before. They are scum, it's the only way they get where they get. They also get immunity by being in that position (it's expensive to get a politician in place, you don't want something trivial like murdering a hooker to flush that money down the tubes)

      Obama's fast rise from nobody probably caught some people out, but he ended up the same way pretty quickly (and while he was being brought under control there was plenty of distraction about birth certificates).

      I find it amazing how people (or rather fox news) are complaining about a single decision which may have caused 2 deaths, but ignore the elephants in the room - for example the 1,000 americans a year who die because they (or their parents) didn't vaccinate them.

      • (Score: 1) by Fauxlosopher on Monday March 30 2015, @05:12PM

        by Fauxlosopher (4804) on Monday March 30 2015, @05:12PM (#164366) Journal

        I find it amazing how people (or rather fox news) are complaining about a single decision which may have caused 2 deaths, but ignore the elephants in the room - for example the 1,000 americans a year who die because they (or their parents) didn't vaccinate them.

        Your example is a wildly inappropriate comparison to government officials' behavior.

        Parents almost never force their children's participation in association with them at gunpoint; in regards to governments and private individuals, government officials do.

    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday March 30 2015, @09:19PM

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday March 30 2015, @09:19PM (#164490) Journal

      Hillary is much more legal and PR savvy than her husband. While Bill was ham-fistedly trying to figure out the Internet thing, she was on top of it. She got beaten by it, so she learned better than did Bill.

      That said, Hillary and Bill understand gotcha politics. It is their life. If America and the rest of the world want another 8 years of that, then Hillary should be elected. If, however, everyone wants to depart from the tired past, much different candidates should be elected.

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  • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 30 2015, @02:41PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 30 2015, @02:41PM (#164262)

    Bill O'Reilly was in that war zone and saw the whole thing. He was the only news reporter out there, all the others were hiding back in their hotels.

    Bill was afraid to tell his mother that he just witnessed Christian nuns being shot in the face. All hell was breaking lose! His cameraman was bleeding from the head and Bill had to drag him back into safety.

    And he has IRONCLAD PROOF - he still has his reporter's notebooks.

    Bill O'Reilly and Fox News - the NO-SPIN, IRONCLAD News organization where the right-wing SN posters get their news.

  • (Score: 2) by TK-421 on Monday March 30 2015, @02:42PM

    by TK-421 (3235) on Monday March 30 2015, @02:42PM (#164263) Journal

    You really need to stick with this one. [soylentnews.org]

    The higher body count will serve you better in your quest to make it all about health care.

    For everyone else, if I get mod'd troll so be it. This feels like a variant of cross-posting which I feel has, little to, no place in these discussions.

    And now, back to you.

    • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Monday March 30 2015, @04:42PM

      by isostatic (365) on Monday March 30 2015, @04:42PM (#164348) Journal

      OP said that a member of US Government being neglectful and leading 2 americans to die means not voting for them.

      Presumably that logic therefore applies to any member of the US government who conspires to prevent access to healthcare?

      • (Score: 2) by TK-421 on Monday March 30 2015, @06:14PM

        by TK-421 (3235) on Monday March 30 2015, @06:14PM (#164397) Journal

        Don't confuse access to health care with access to health insurance.

        Assuming a patient in the U.S. and you have no health insurance, you can absolutely get emergency care along with critical care (brain surgery, cancer care, heart surgery). You may be hopelessly in debt at the end of it, and it might not mean you got access to the absolute best of the best WRT doctors but you still have access. Even without health insurance you can negotiate through a lot of the costs of emergency care in the case of say a broken arm.

        I agree, health insurance is a big deal. People need catastrophic coverage. How do we get it? I don't have a lot of ideas to be honest. Getting gainful employment is always helpful. I know a lot of folks on here complain about that, but to be honest my state is hiring and so is my company (software company). If you can code you can get a check here. In the event of unemployment well, to be honest that is the first time that many people have the chance to learn the true cost of their coverage. You have all kinds of people who run around with coverage and if you ask them the total cost of their policy they will give you the dollar amount they personally have to pay and they omit the portion paid by their employer (70-90%). They lose their job and they get hit with COBRA, the full cost, which is staggering at the worst time. If I lost my job I wouldn't care about keeping my old policy, I would only care about the catastrophic coverage. I suspect if the industry and employers worked together they could devise something like this.

  • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by hemocyanin on Monday March 30 2015, @02:47PM

    by hemocyanin (186) on Monday March 30 2015, @02:47PM (#164270) Journal

    Phwew -- Now that have Nixon Care in place, albeit a less liberal one than Nixon promoted -- the world is ponies. No more Wall Street fraud, all wars ended, surveillance decreasing by the second -- fewest whistleblower prosecutions in DAYS. Days I tell you. You Democrats are superduperawsomeness!!!!!!!