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posted by jelizondo on Monday August 31, @08:30AM   Printer-friendly
from the person-of-interest dept.

https://www.theregister.com/legal/2026/08/26/flock-shock-rocks-cop-cam-vendor-as-protests-mount/5292691

A mischief-maker in a Darth Vader suit recently endorsed Flock at a city council meeting, and it has not helped the company's fortunes. Around the US, citizens have been protesting and sometimes vandalizing the company's network of surveillance cameras. And the advocacy has caused some governments to change course.

Government officials, commonly hesitant to second-guess law enforcement practices, have become concerned enough to question these mass surveillance practices. US Senator Josh Hawley (R-MO) on Wednesday wrote to Flock CEO Garrett Langley to announce an investigation of "Flock Safety's collection, retention, and dissemination of data gathered by its artificial intelligence cameras."

Despite "Darth Vader's" comments last week at a San Diego City Council meeting about the need to "continue utilizing Flock technologies so that we can follow and surveil the rebel scum," a growing number of local governments in the US have been cancelling or choosing not to renew their contracts with Flock and other makers of automated license plate readers (ALPRs).

The Institute for Justice (IJ), a Virginia-based legal advocacy non-profit, on Wednesday published a new database that tracks the termination of local government ALPR contracts. As of Wednesday, the database documents 93 local governments that canceled ALPR contracts.

The IJ, which is challenging ALPR use on Fourth Amendment grounds in Norfolk, Virginia and San Jose, California, previously published a database that documents police abuse of ALPRs, a topic addressed in Hawley's letter. Incidents include romantic stalking, wrongful traffic stops and detentions, and other forms of misconduct.

"I think what's happened is that the American public has woken up to the mass surveillance that quietly arose around them," said Robert Frommer, senior attorney at IJ, in an interview with The Register. "And they don't like it.

"It does seem to me that the rate of cancellations, the rate of public protest has increased over the past few months. I think that's both due to more news attention being paid to the real life abuses of this technology, as well as the Supreme Court's recent decision in the geofence case," Frommer said. In that case, SCOTUS ruled that cops need a warrant to grab location data.

Frommer said that he believes the IJ's efforts to document ALPRs and associated abuses have helped focus the public's concern and have illustrated the problems with warrantless mass surveillance.

ALPRs, from vendors like Flock, Motorola Solutions, and PlateSmart, among others, capture license plates whenever cars drive by, along with geodata and potentially images of people. This data can be combined with other information, effectively putting all passersby under constant surveillance without any warrant.

"I think what we're seeing now is the reaction to that," said Frommer, who explained that the problem with Flock cameras is that they're accessible to anyone with login credentials, without any authorization from a supervising authority.

"You don't need to go to a judge and get a warrant," Frommer explained. "You don't need anything. And when you basically give that search power to the bored officer in his cop car in the middle of a shift, it inevitably happens that they start using it and start misusing it, whether to look people up personally or whether to investigate people at political protests."

These sorts of issues, Frommer said, have made people question whether we should live in a panopticon.

The IJ's litigation and its Plate Privacy Project, said Frommer, follow from the belief that there are solutions, whether they come from the courts or lawmakers. Pointing to Hawley's letter, he said that this is not just a state or local issue, but has become a federal concern.

"I think what the din that you've heard over the past couple of months shows that there absolutely needs to be a change, a reckoning," he said. "And that's what we're pushing for in our litigation. We're pushing for a warrant requirement. You want to go look up somebody's past travels and see where they have been? Go to a judge, explain it, and get a warrant."

Flock did not respond to a request for comment.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Bentonite on Wednesday September 02, @04:09AM (1 child)

    by Bentonite (56146) on Wednesday September 02, @04:09AM (#1452811)

    Local businesses have had security cameras for decades, to use against shoplifting and robbery.

    There's a big difference between cameras that write to an offline computer that cycles the video stream every week (that is only looked at in cases of robbery) and surveillance cameras that transmit everything to some remove computer over the internet.

    Many businesses do not use cameras, as those cannot stop acts - only record acts being committed (which could be handed to the police, but good luck with that if the police are too busy going after innocent people).

    Private citizens use door bell surveillance for their own private purposes.

    Not true - for any of the popular doorbell surveillance cameras, the video stream first goes to the businesses remote server to be extensively abused (with flock-like techniques too) and then such proprietary citizens can view the stream (not sure what viewing the stream is going to be helpful with, other than spying on the neighbors and any passerby's).

    My neighbor installing his own surveillance with the intention of protecting his family does not compare with City Hall prying into EVERYONE'S lives.

    The surveillance doorbell etc your neighbor installs pries into the life's of everyone who is in the view of the camera and the range of any microphone.

    The question is, did I configure Ring so that it reports to Evil Corp when my neighbor goes to work? When he hooks his boat trailer to the truck and heads out for the weekend? When he brings a woman home?

    As you installed a ring camera, unless you ensured it cannot ever connect to the internet (good luck with that one, considering it has Wi-Fi and the passwords of many Wi-Fi networks are easy to guess and how the proprietary cr…app needed to access the video streams has a connection to the internet), yes you did.

    When it comes to proprietary software configuration, just because there's a setting that purports something along the lines of; "disable spying", doesn't mean that does anything beyond disabling your access to the spying data.

    Please show basic respect for humanity by removing the surveillance camera.

    If you are worried about your house being broken into, install something actually effective like doors with decent structural integrity and decent locks.

    Your personal security system doesn't HAVE to fill storage at some corporate server farm. More people need to understand that.

    For surveillance setups configured by someone who doesn't know better than to setup surveillance, the end result 99% of the time is for the video stream, or extracted data, to end up at some corporate server farm.

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  • (Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday September 02, @08:46PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday September 02, @08:46PM (#1452865) Journal

    You may or may not know that I do Amazon Vine reviews. That is, I get free products to evaluate. I have reviewed some "security cameras". Two of them required internet access to work - and worse, to monitor the cameras, your cell phone had to connect through the camera's own WIFI access point. I found that to be preposterous, and I wrote them up as worthless POS that had no purpose other than to spy on you. And, naturally, those devices were connecting to servers in China.

    You're right that the "popular" devices require internet access, and the data is stored "in the cloud". You've got that perfectly right. But, there are a number of devices that DO NOT require internet connectivity, and store nothing in the cloud. Most of those requre storage on an NAS or similar. The more storage available, the more data can be saved. It is up to the end user to decide whether he prefers privacy, or he prefers that "cloud storage".

    And, yes, I can assure you that none of my IoT devices connects to the internet, other than for initial testing. I run a router that makes it easy to block all traffic to a device.

    If you visit my home, please don't destroy any of the devices you might discover. None of them are phoning home to the mothership.

    And, finally - I might ask what you consider to be "decent structural integrity and decent locks". I've spent many years, passing through locked doors, for which I had no keys. Some are better than others, some will take some time to pass through. But there are few doors that I can't defeat, given some privacy for ten minutes. My greatest concern would be someone discovering me while I manipulated a lockpick, or even a plain old credit card or screwdriver. Or, setting of an alarm. Got windows? Game over. It will only take a thief a few seconds to get in. It might be nice to have a camera located where it can identify the thief.

    Pro tip: don't invest in a camera with such a poor picture, you can't distinguish between a mouse and a moose.

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