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posted by cmn32480 on Monday April 06 2015, @10:47AM   Printer-friendly
from the hypocrisy-knows-no-bounds dept.

David Knowles reports at Bloomberg that former Hewlett-Packard CEO and potential 2016 presidential candidate Carly Fiorina called out Apple CEO Tim Cook as a hypocrite for criticizing Indiana and Arkansas over their Religious Freedom Restoration Acts while at the same time doing business in countries where gay rights are non-existent. “When Tim Cook is upset about all the places that he does business because of the way they treat gays and women, he needs to withdraw from 90% of the markets that he’s in, including China and Saudi Arabia,” Fiorina said. “But I don’t hear him being upset about that.”

In similar criticism of Hillary Clinton on the Fox News program Hannity, Fiorina argued that Clinton's advocacy on behalf of women was tarnished by donations made to the Clinton Foundation from foreign governments where women's rights are not on par with those in America. ""I must say as a woman, I find it offensive that Hillary Clinton travels the Silicon Valley, a place where I worked for a long time, and lectures Silicon Valley companies on women's rights in technology, and yet sees nothing wrong with taking money from the Algerian government, which really denies women the most basic human rights. This is called, Sean, hypocrisy." While Hillary Clinton hasn't directly addressed Fiorina's criticisms, her husband has. “You’ve got to decide, when you do this work, whether it will do more good than harm if someone helps you from another country,” former president Bill Clinton said in March. “And I believe we have done a lot more good than harm. And I believe this is a good thing.”

 
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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 06 2015, @04:37PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 06 2015, @04:37PM (#167033)

    > Rational religion? That doesn't even make any sense. Try again.

    Only to a binary thinker. Religion is an exceptionally complex part of the human existence, to dismiss it entirely due to some parts which are unfalsifiable is a kind of reductionism befitting a 12-year old.

  • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Monday April 06 2015, @05:45PM

    by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Monday April 06 2015, @05:45PM (#167054)

    Nonsense. There's no evidence of magical sky daddies, so I have no reason to believe in such a thing. I also have zero reason to be part of any religion. How complex religions are is irrelevant.

    to dismiss it entirely due to some parts which are unfalsifiable is a kind of reductionism befitting a 12-year old.

    Only to a "binary thinker".

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 06 2015, @07:59PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 06 2015, @07:59PM (#167137)

      > Nonsense. There's no evidence of magical sky daddies,

      See, that is reductionism in the extreme. "Magical sky daddies" are only tiny facet of any religion.

      > Only to a "binary thinker".

      I do not think that means what you think it means.

      • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Monday April 06 2015, @08:58PM

        by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Monday April 06 2015, @08:58PM (#167164)

        See, that is reductionism in the extreme. "Magical sky daddies" are only tiny facet of any religion.

        No, that is a huge facet, because it indicates they are irrational for believing in something without evidence. You can't have a rational religion that encourages people to believe in magical sky daddies. I don't care if you think that is "reductionist"; it is nonetheless correct.

        I do not think that means what you think it means.

        It means exactly what I think it means. Or do you not like your own words being used against you?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 06 2015, @09:06PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 06 2015, @09:06PM (#167166)

          > No, that is a huge facet, because it indicates they are irrational for believing in something without evidence

          As a practical matter it is a TINY facet. It isn't like God is interceding in the daily affairs, it is all just people decding what's important and what's not.

          > I don't care if you think that is "reductionist"; it is nonetheless correct.

          Oh it is correct, it is just of minor import.

          > It means exactly what I think it means.

          Your circular reasoning is funny coming from someone who claims that an irrational belief is a huge disqualifier.

          • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Monday April 06 2015, @09:19PM

            by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Monday April 06 2015, @09:19PM (#167179)

            As a practical matter it is a TINY facet.

            I disagree entirely. As soon as you involve supernatural garbage or magical sky daddies, your religion is irrational right off the bat.

            it is all just people decding what's important and what's not.

            Often based on holy books and the teachings of imaginary magical sky daddies or other supernatural oddities.

            Your circular reasoning is funny coming from someone who claims that an irrational belief is a huge disqualifier.

            There was no circular reasoning there. You have a poor grasp of logic or your reading comprehension needs work.

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 06 2015, @10:04PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 06 2015, @10:04PM (#167204)

              >> As a practical matter it is a TINY facet.
              >
              > I disagree entirely. As soon as you involve supernatural garbage or magical sky daddies, your religion is irrational right off the bat.

              What have learned today?
              Words Anal does not understand:

              reductionist
              practical
              binary

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 06 2015, @10:53PM

              by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 06 2015, @10:53PM (#167224)

              I disagree entirely.

              Not surprising, considering how much you're exemplifying the Dunning Kruger effect while discussing the subject. As an atheist, I don't expect you to know anything about religion. An atheist as a self-proclaimed expert on religion is laughable.

              • (Score: 3, Informative) by Anal Pumpernickel on Monday April 06 2015, @11:13PM

                by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Monday April 06 2015, @11:13PM (#167236)

                Not surprising, considering how much you're exemplifying the Dunning Kruger effect while discussing the subject.

                That's not an actual counterargument, and could easily be applied to you as well. Anyone can make such random assertions.

                As an atheist, I don't expect you to know anything about religion.

                What is it that you want? Do you want me to read fairy tale books? That is meaningless.

                I don't know if you realize this, but my position that belief in magical sky daddies is irrational does not require me to have much specific knowledge about any religion.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 06 2015, @11:19PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 06 2015, @11:19PM (#167237)

                > As an atheist, I don't expect you to know anything about religion.

                Sorry, I'm the atheist he's been arguing with in this thread and I say you are totally off.

                For one thing, atheists have the highest amount of general knowledge about religion. [npr.org] Which makes sense - religious people tend to be experts in their particular sect, but know nothing about any other religions. They will have a more narrow knowledge while those not married to a sect will have a more broad knowledge.

                But what I do believe is that as an atheist, Anal hasn't bothered to understand the religious impulse at all. He's so ridiculously dismissive of what he doesn't understand that he can't be bothered to understand. He's taken it on faith that it is all irrational and thus there is nothing of value there. That makes him the worst kind of atheist, the kind that has turned his atheism into a religion itself.

                • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Monday April 06 2015, @11:26PM

                  by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Monday April 06 2015, @11:26PM (#167242)

                  But what I do believe is that as an atheist, Anal hasn't bothered to understand the religious impulse at all.

                  Not understanding it and calling it irrational are two different things.

                  He's taken it on faith that it is all irrational and thus there is nothing of value there.

                  It's not faith. It can be plainly observed that a grand majority of religions have supernatural elements to them, which is irrational. I don't think you can just minimize the irrationality by saying that it's just a tiny facet of religion; I believe it's important.

                  That makes him the worst kind of atheist, the kind that has turned his atheism into a religion itself.

                  Lacking a belief in deities is not a religion. Neither is observing that religion is irrational.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 07 2015, @02:55AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 07 2015, @02:55AM (#167298)

                    > Not understanding it and calling it irrational are two different things.

                    It could be, but in your case they are two sides of the same coin.

                    You are like the queen of flatland, completely and utterly convinced that there are no more than 2 dimensions in the universe. For you a 3rd dimension is so incomprehensible that you can do nothing more than deny its existence.

                    • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Tuesday April 07 2015, @03:47AM

                      by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @03:47AM (#167308)

                      It could be, but in your case they are two sides of the same coin.

                      So you say.

                      You are like the queen of flatland, completely and utterly convinced that there are no more than 2 dimensions in the universe.

                      I don't know how you can say what I am or am not utterly convinced about.

                      You say the matter of magical sky daddies is, in practice, a small facet of religion. I disagree. I see it as a big problem if you want your religion to be rational. That belief without evidence (not just in god, but in the holy books that are often revered) is irrational. There are other parts to religion, but that is an irrelevant point of discussion to me; you keep acting like I say they don't exist, but that's not what is happening.

                      For you a 3rd dimension is so incomprehensible that you can do nothing more than deny its existence.

                      You're just not seeing The Truth. You've turned your disagreement with me into its own religion, resembling that of the worst religious fundamentalists. Obviously. The word "religion" can mean anything and any belief is simply a religion, especially if it's a belief you disagree with. Like all those evil hardcore atheists; that's a religion right there. Just use "religion" as a generic insult.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 07 2015, @07:17PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 07 2015, @07:17PM (#167549)

                    Grand majority != All

                    • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Tuesday April 07 2015, @07:49PM

                      by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @07:49PM (#167570)

                      Yes, and?

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 08 2015, @12:12AM

                        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 08 2015, @12:12AM (#167647)

                        Rational religion? That doesn't even make any sense.

                        • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Wednesday April 08 2015, @11:03AM

                          by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Wednesday April 08 2015, @11:03AM (#167795)

                          In practice, it doesn't make sense. What about it? A grand majority of religions are irrational garbage (with the remaining few being rather pointless, as they don't need to be religions), and a few exceptions to the rule won't make me change my statement.

                          I see you're more interested in scoring 'points', though. The Religion Defense Force to the rescue!

            • (Score: 2) by wantkitteh on Tuesday April 07 2015, @08:49AM

              by wantkitteh (3362) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @08:49AM (#167366) Homepage Journal

              I disagree entirely. As soon as you involve supernatural garbage or magical sky daddies, your religion is irrational right off the bat.

              Try forming an argument - proof by assertion is no proof at all.

              • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Tuesday April 07 2015, @02:03PM

                by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Tuesday April 07 2015, @02:03PM (#167442)

                I already stated my argument before; you want me to repeat it constantly for you people? Believing in something without a shred of evidence of irrational. There is no evidence for the existence of magical sky daddies or supernatural garbage, so rational people will lack a belief in such things.

                Next time you might want to try reading other posts rather than saying that someone isn't putting forth an argument because they aren't constantly restating the same things in every post they make.