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Despite the previous announcement at the Ubuntu Wiki, that said
Martin Pitt announces the date to switch Ubuntu Vivid to boot with systemd instead of upstart as Monday, March 9th. He says that the switch will affect the desktop, server, cloud, all flavors but not Ubuntu Touch, and that if there are too many regressions there is a simple upload to revert to upstart.
regarding Lubuntu, the Ubuntu Wiki now reports
LXQt is still in development, so Vivid Vervet [(*buntu 15.04, slated for release in April)] is another bug fix release. A late regression in the desktop installer for 32 bit means there is no Desktop installer for this milestone but it does not affect the alternate installer. Systemd is not the default init system.
LXQt is a light-ish desktop environment built with the Qt toolkit usually associated with KDE-compatible apps.
This announcement indicates that, for the time being, Lubuntu will be sticking with LXDE (Lightweight X11 Desktop Environment) built with the GTK+ toolkit usually associated with GNOME-compatible apps.
Upstart will remain the init system for Lubuntu for now.
(Score: 2) by NCommander on Wednesday April 08 2015, @06:28AM
If you want to stay with Linux with a major distro, IMHO, Slackware, though even Patrick has said its not out of the question. Gentoo also supports their own system if you don't mind a rolling release.
The problem is Red Hat basically controls the vast majority of the desktop stack through GNOME developers, and the lower stacks via maintenance of PAM and such. They can force through basically any stack change they want above the desktop. In all seriousness, I'm looking at migrating to a *BSD for everything except my desktop; I do enough gaming that it would be painful to migrate the desktop.
Still always moving
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Wednesday April 08 2015, @09:33AM
Time to fork GNOME and kick RedHat out of the ecosystem?
Not out of question that Slackware will adopt systemd?
Won't all this systemD adaption affect *BSD too?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 08 2015, @10:35AM
Or just abandon Gnome fully as a lost cause and adopt XFCE.
Nof if only Gnome didn't have GTK by the balls...
(Score: 2) by NCommander on Wednesday April 08 2015, @02:25PM
GNOME has been dead to me since 3.0. I actually use (and like) Unity on the desktop, and have used it now for a few years. The systemd API dependence will affect the BSDs, but the OpenBSD project is working on creating a systemd "proxy" so to speak to let it be emulated. Honestly, if it was just coded to POSIX vs. the Linux API, it wouldn't be an issue; I find it rather insane that my system will fail to boot if I compile a kernel without CONFIG_CGROUPS.
(/sbin/init or equivelent should basically work on any generic kernel. Even if I boot with an antique kernel which my udev does NOT support, at least I can still reasonably get to bash).
Unfortunately, with it looking like udev will soon start depending on systemd, I'm guessing avoidance will become impossible, hence why I'm looking at non-Linux choices. Unfortunately, Linux just recently starting getting SOME momentium with Steam being ported over and such, and I dislike having to change because of such a horridibly designed bit of code acting like a cancer.
Still always moving
(Score: 2) by kaszz on Wednesday April 08 2015, @07:41PM
Perhaps it so that Linux has got too many developers that don't get the Unix philosophy with regard to orthogonal interfaces (API), modularity and safe approaches ie not run on assumptions etc? Otoh, there's always been a different paradigm in programming philosophy between Linux and the Berkeley sphere. When it works it's alright, when it's right and works it's alright.
Perhaps there's been a balance shift between people with a science background vs autodidacts or something alike?
This whole circus smells Psyops with systemD, derailed projects, the need to engage people in pseudo problems (systemD compatibility, Gnome replacement), .. There are players that has an interest in derailing FOSS. Security organizations that can get rid of a platform outside corporate control and with security, Corporations like MS to eliminate the competition, Some companies may want to co-opt projects for gain etc. If so, abandoning Linux will only allow the cancer to grow and take on the next sphere.