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posted by CoolHand on Monday April 27 2015, @07:35AM   Printer-friendly
from the smile-you're-on-candid-camera dept.

TorrentFreak has uncovered a "top-secret" presentation made by the Federation Against Copyright Theft and sent to Sony Pictures. "The document reveals suspects being filmed in cinemas, tracked using Facebook friends, and their connections to release groups mapped in intriguing diagrams."

FACT goes on to give Sony several examples of situations in which it has been involved in information exercises sharing with the authorities. The exact details aren't provided, but somewhat surprisingly FACT says they include murder, kidnap and large-scale missing persons investigations.

But perhaps of most interest are the details of how the group pursues those who illegally "cam" and then distribute movies online. The presentation focuses on the "proven" leak of five movies in 2010, the total from UK cinemas for that year.

[...] Considering the depth and presentation of the above investigations it will come as no surprise to most that many FACT investigators are former police officers. For the curious, the full document can be found here on Wikileaks.

 
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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @09:30AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @09:30AM (#175630)

    But perhaps of most interest are the details of how the group pursues those who illegally "cam" and then distribute movies online.

    Care to summarize them? You know, this is supposed to be a summary, not an advertisement of the article.

    • (Score: 5, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Monday April 27 2015, @10:23AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 27 2015, @10:23AM (#175636) Journal

      Apparently, they get video of the guy doing the camming, follow him home and/or get the police to run facial recognition to identify him. Once identified, I guess the use the equivalent of a SWAT team to bust into his home and find the "evidence". Peripherally, they go on Facebook to identify all his friends, and if any of those persons have viewed the same movie, then they are guilty by association. They've got an entire anti-terror campaign running to stop these pirated movies.

      No wonder they can't stop the real terrorists, they're to busy with enforcing corporate policy! How very much like ICE in the US!

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Dunbal on Monday April 27 2015, @10:39AM

        by Dunbal (3515) on Monday April 27 2015, @10:39AM (#175642)

        Actually reality is that there are not all that many "real terrorists" and they need to justify the billions being spent on them by showing SOMETHING...

        • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Runaway1956 on Monday April 27 2015, @12:44PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 27 2015, @12:44PM (#175676) Journal

          You're not far off. The reality is, organizations like ICE simply don't give a damn about terrorism. It's all theatrics for them. Their real mission in life is to serve those corporate masters. All the anti-terror in the world is only good for diverting attention from their real mission.

          The mission of those corporate masters, is to subjugate the population. If you or I aren't somehow contributing to enriching those corporate coffers, then we have no value, and can be safely warehoused in a prison somewhere. At least in prison, we would be generating revenue for the prison industrial complex.

          And, that used to be pretty plainly stated on the New American Century website. Neoconservatives envision a world in which every man, woman, and child on earth are working to enrich Wall Street. You can still read between the lines, but they've spray-brushed over their hard core language since Bush was elected the second time.

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          • (Score: 2) by frojack on Monday April 27 2015, @06:57PM

            by frojack (1554) on Monday April 27 2015, @06:57PM (#175814) Journal

            Step away from the koolaid, and nobody gets hurt...

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            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday April 27 2015, @08:47PM

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday April 27 2015, @08:47PM (#175858) Journal

              I hate to break it to you, but if you really believe that ICE's mission has anything to do with terrorism, or immigration enforcement, then you're the one drinking the Kool-Aid. Oh yeah, immigration. The first thing they did after more or less disbanding INS, was to decide that they wouldn't apprehend illegal aliens, unless they were convicted criminals. Big joke there - the illegals swap names around routinely. If you were so unlucky as to be enrolled into the "justice" system, just get a new ID, with a new name on it.

              Oh - the name Napolitano. No conflict of interest there, huh?

              Kool-Aid. A lot of people do drink it. Most of them actually believe in the security theater that the administration plays for them.

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              • (Score: 2) by frojack on Monday April 27 2015, @11:07PM

                by frojack (1554) on Monday April 27 2015, @11:07PM (#175891) Journal

                Security theater is one thing we agree on.

                Corporate masters is just your loony coming to the surface.

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @11:25PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @11:25PM (#175894)

                  He calls it "their real mission" when it is more like an inevitable side-effect of the way they pursue their official goals in the current environment.

                  Some people have a really hard time with the concept of emergent effects, it is much easier to believe in active malice rather than damaging side-effects that occur because no one cares. If its malice, then there is a specific person or set of persons that you can deal with in simple straight-forward ways. But emergent properties defuse responsibility and require systemic change and that's really hard.

                  • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Tuesday April 28 2015, @12:24AM

                    by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Tuesday April 28 2015, @12:24AM (#175906)

                    Some people have a really hard time with the concept of emergent effects

                    No, it's just that our system is set up to violate people's rights to such an extent that it is unreasonable to believe it's not malice at this point.

                    If its malice, then there is a specific person or set of persons that you can deal with in simple straight-forward ways.

                    Nope, because what may be causing them to become malicious is the fact that power corrupts, that these organizations have powers that they can easily abuse, and that already evil individuals tend to be hired by these organizations. So systematic change is needed either way.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 28 2015, @03:40AM

                      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 28 2015, @03:40AM (#175951)

                      > No, it's just that our system is set up to violate people's rights to such an extent that it is unreasonable to believe it's not malice at this point.

                      “We judge ourselves by our intentions and others by their behaviour.”

                      • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Tuesday April 28 2015, @03:56AM

                        by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Tuesday April 28 2015, @03:56AM (#175954)

                        I just prefer to take into account the probability that these filthy scumbags aren't acting with malice. When I do, I realize that it is rather improbable that they aren't

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 28 2015, @04:33AM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 28 2015, @04:33AM (#175959)

                          Circular reasoning.

                          • (Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Tuesday April 28 2015, @05:11AM

                            by Anal Pumpernickel (776) on Tuesday April 28 2015, @05:11AM (#175966)

                            Saying that I like to take probability into account and then stating the conclusion I reach when I do is circular reasoning? You don't understand basic logic, it seems. Not presenting the specific evidence I take into account in a certain comment != circular reasoning.

      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday April 27 2015, @04:00PM

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday April 27 2015, @04:00PM (#175756) Journal

        What do they do if you're wearing glasses with a camera built into them?

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @05:17PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @05:17PM (#175768)

          Put a VEIL pattern on their uniform?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @02:00PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @02:00PM (#175704)

      Somebody told me once that one could "RTFA"; but I think that acronym is archaic knowledge. Nobody knows what it stands for any more.

      Also, that line is directly in said article. Do you want him to summarize an in-article summary too? This is getting a bit too meta.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @11:28PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @11:28PM (#175895)

      > You know, this is supposed to be a summary, not an advertisement of the article.

      Nowhere is it called a summary.
      The submission form calls it a "scoop."
      There is no requirement to summarize, however you are encouraged to do so for your scoops.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @12:32PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 27 2015, @12:32PM (#175670)

    As if we needed more...

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by looorg on Monday April 27 2015, @01:00PM

    by looorg (578) on Monday April 27 2015, @01:00PM (#175682)

    "... connections to release groups mapped in intriguing diagrams."

    A couple of I^2 analyst notebook screen-grabs now apparently qualify as intriguing diagrams. It's basically a industry standard software package and considering how many people from law-enforcement they probably lure over with their Hollywood entertainment dollars that these people would then use the same software packages they are trained to use isn't really all that strange is it?

  • (Score: 3, Funny) by nitehawk214 on Monday April 27 2015, @01:25PM

    by nitehawk214 (1304) on Monday April 27 2015, @01:25PM (#175691)

    I hate downloading a movie to find out it is one of those lousy cammed captures with someone heavy-breathing in the microphone. I didn't like Blair Witch in the 90's, I certainly don't want to see it on a modern movie.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by LoRdTAW on Monday April 27 2015, @01:51PM

      by LoRdTAW (3755) on Monday April 27 2015, @01:51PM (#175700) Journal

      I can't believe people are so desperate to watch a film that they willingly accept garbage quality video and audio.

      • (Score: 2) by frojack on Monday April 27 2015, @07:09PM

        by frojack (1554) on Monday April 27 2015, @07:09PM (#175822) Journal

        I suspect the whole story is something of a deception.

        I've seen a few pirated movies, some well before the DVD hit the stores, and they quality was usually top notch.

        The truth is that for at least a decade, movie leaks come out of the studios in digital form. Hackers or insiders or pre-release DVDs.

        Unless you have a friend in the projection booth who will screen a movie in the wee hours for you, you are going to have a difficult time "cam"-ing a first run movie. Just because the house lights are off, doesn't mean they can't see you clearly.

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        • (Score: 1) by nitehawk214 on Tuesday April 28 2015, @03:25PM

          by nitehawk214 (1304) on Tuesday April 28 2015, @03:25PM (#176103)

          I did accidentally waste bandwidth on a movie that appeared to be recorded on an iphone. Was not happy to waste time and bandwidth on that stuff.

          However, I suppose that these are few and far between. I just wish people would label the torrents as such.

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    • (Score: 4, Funny) by jimshatt on Monday April 27 2015, @02:05PM

      by jimshatt (978) on Monday April 27 2015, @02:05PM (#175705) Journal
      And here I was, thinking shaky-cam was all the rage these days in Hollywood...
    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by SrLnclt on Monday April 27 2015, @04:04PM

      by SrLnclt (1473) on Monday April 27 2015, @04:04PM (#175758)

      Seriously, who watches CAM's anymore? Just wait a couple weeks - chances are a telesync, screener, DVD/BD rip, or some other source with much better audio/video quality will be available. If it's a good enough film that you want to watch it right now, chances are it's good enough you want to watch it in something resembling HD quality.

      • (Score: 2) by frojack on Monday April 27 2015, @07:26PM

        by frojack (1554) on Monday April 27 2015, @07:26PM (#175825) Journal

        Telesync was needed when films were actually distributed in film form, because you could never get your hands on a physical copy of the film.

        Not so much any more.
        Since the late 90's, its all digital media distribution., often transferred over the net to the larger first run theaters. First they used hard disks, later
        they used private satellite, now mostly its over the net.

        See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_cinema [wikipedia.org]

        That being the case, its almost always easier to steal a digital copy.

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