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After my last SN post the topic of moderation was brought up. Since its been quite awhile since we last openly discussed the state of moderation, I want to give the community a venue to discuss their feelings on it, and if the system needs further refinement. As a reminder, here's a review for how the system is currently setup:
- 5 mod points are handed out to at 00:10 UTC to users with positive karma
- ACs start at +0, users with karma less than 40 post at +1, users above that can post at +2
- You need 10 karma to mark some spam or troll
- Under normal circumstances, the staff do *not* have unlimited mod points, but can (and have) banned abusers of the moderation system
Please also review our SoylentNews Moderation Guidelines.
As always, we are willing to make changes to the system, but please post examples *with* links to any cases of suspected mod abuse. It's a lot easier to justify changing the system when evidence is in black and white. I also recommend that users make serious proposals on changes we can make. I'm not going to color the discussion with my own opinions, but as always, I will respond inline with comments when this goes live, and post a follow up article a few days after this one
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(Score: 3, Informative) by mrcoolbp on Friday May 22 2015, @01:17AM
That is blatantly false. We do not un-do moderation. At most, if the community hasn't stepped in, we might elect to use some of our own points as we see fit (we do not have unlimited points either).
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @12:28PM
i'm not staff, but i was involved in one such incident of undoing an unfair modbomb on some comments by hairyfeet as a result of discussion on irc. i can attest that we only use our own points and when we run out that's all we do.
to hairyfeet - comment threads are a bit hard to have a real conversation. if you're having some troubles with modbombing, best to hop onto irc.sylnt.us:6667#soylent (or simply click here [soylentnews.org]) and bring it up. it's full of weirdos but if you have an issue with an unfair mod chances are someone will be around who would be happy to help if they have any points.
(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Friday May 22 2015, @12:53PM
Then please explain to me why when I click on the post I listed above it says it has ONLY been modded twice, 2 interesting and 1 overrated and is rated +4....yet in my information box it shows the post going 5,4,3,2,1? Either you sir are not privy to what the other mods are doing or your information system is BADLY broken, because it obviously is giving two different and conflicting reports.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 22 2015, @01:15PM
i'm not a dev, but i took the liberty of submitting an issue on your behalf for the devs to take a look at when they get a chance
might not be a bug, but if it is they're the ones that will be able to fix it :)
https://github.com/SoylentNews/slashcode/issues/453 [github.com]
(Score: 2) by mrcoolbp on Friday May 29 2015, @02:32PM
That's odd indeed. Could you provide a screen-shot. You could add it to the issue on github or simply email me if that's easier. Here's the issue on github [github.com].
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(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Friday May 29 2015, @11:59PM
I've cleared the info but when I get modbombed again (which happens pretty constantly from the info reports) I'll be happy to post one to the post, I bookmarked it.
But according to the information center every single one of my positive rated posts in the past few weeks have been following the same pattern...get to +5, almost immediately followed by 4,3,2,1, sometimes going all the way down to -2, yet when I click on the post in question? Zing, it suddenly shows the post has only been modded a couple times, and is suddenly back to (usually) +4.
If I had to guess I'd say there is at least one admin who is "flipping" the posts, which would explain why they always seem to leave the first downmod (since they would probably consider one disagreement to be fair, I would probably do the same) but then "erase" the following modbomb.
While it "could" be simply a glitch in the system, considering I have talked to other posters this is happening to and they all are seeing the same pattern AND they usually posted to a thread a certain radical had? I'm thinking I don't need to be Kojack to solve this case. The one throwing insults and attacks modbombs those that don't follow his politics, a certain admin then comes along and erases his mods, lather rinse repeat.
But I have your response bookmarked and will be happy to shoot you a screencap when I have one. We've had a death in the family recently so I haven't had time to mess with the net so it may be a week or two, sorry but you really can't predict these kinds of things.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 3, Informative) by mrcoolbp on Wednesday June 03 2015, @06:44PM
We are still looking at this error, but I believe it has to do with the karma bonus confusing the messaging system. See this bug report: https://github.com/SoylentNews/slashcode/issues/452 [github.com]
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(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Saturday May 23 2015, @08:18AM
I will also point you to this post [soylentnews.org] which again shows exactly 4 mods...Insightful=2, Interesting=1, Overrated=1, three postive and one negative...wanna guess what it says in my inbox? That's right...5,4,3,2 its a countdown, over and over AND OVER I'm getting countdowns yet when I click on the actual post? Poof...mods be gone!
So you really need to talk to your fellow admins, because either somebody is doing something without telling you or your information system is horribly broken, neither is a good thing but I would vote for the former.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.