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posted by LaminatorX on Tuesday March 25 2014, @02:08PM   Printer-friendly
from the If-it-quacks-like-a-duck dept.

lhsi writes:

A petition on Change.org was created: "Jimmy Wales, Founder of Wikipedia: Create and enforce new policies that allow for true scientific discourse about holistic approaches to healing."

Jimmy Wales responded.

No, you have to be kidding me. Every single person who signed this petition needs to go back to check their premises and think harder about what it means to be honest, factual, truthful.

Wikipedia's policies around this kind of thing are exactly spot-on and correct. If you can get your work published in respectable scientific journals that is to say, if you can produce evidence through replicable scientific experiments, then Wikipedia will cover it appropriately. What we won't do is pretend that the work of lunatic charlatans is the equivalent of "true scientific discourse". It isn't.

 
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  • (Score: 1) by terryk30 on Tuesday March 25 2014, @06:39PM

    by terryk30 (1753) on Tuesday March 25 2014, @06:39PM (#21113)

    As many as 2/3 True Believers? OK, maybe 1/3 1/3 with the other 1/3 just having slipped into the racket somehow, and just parroting things (for what little difference that makes).

    As to what causes the True Believer group to exist, one thing that was usually apparent from even somewhat knowing a few of them (yes, I'm being anecdotal - the irony is not lost...) was that in their formal ed they had taken the bare minimum of STEM-like subjects; no surprise of course. To not give formal ed too much credit, let's just say this is correlated with having little appreciation for (a) the cumulative nature of scientific progress (vertical and interdisciplinary), (b) the confidence of a verified quantitative model, (c) the web of expert authority at all levels and how to evaluate it, (d) how human failures do not invalidate the whole enterprise, etc.

    In short, they don't have an accurate idea of why we claim to know what we know scientifically. More relevantly, they hated chemistry and what little exposure to stats they had, and didn't "get" or retain even a layperson's overview of either. Now they're open to any set of claims with shoddy or gobbledegook arguments. In some cases, throw in some postmodern deconstructivist critique of "western" science from the 80's or 90's (again, with essentially no countervailing inquiry) and it all makes sense to them.