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A man was gravely wounded in a gun battle with police in Ferguson, Missouri on Sunday night after a day of peaceful rallies to mark the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager by a white officer one year ago. Several volleys of gunshots rang out as police in riot gear tried to disperse demonstrators blocking traffic and smashing storefront windows along a street that was a flashpoint of last year's unrest in the St. Louis suburb after Michael Brown, 18, was slain. Police later said the gunfire began with two groups of agitators apparently shooting at each other.
http://news.yahoo.com/ferguson-protests-mostly-peaceful-anniversary-brown-shooting-015555407.html
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Anniversary commemorations had begun hours earlier with a peaceful march through the St. Louis suburb. The scene changed dramatically after dark. Dozens of protesters converged on West Florissant Avenue, which bore the brunt of last summer's rioting, and chanted: "Shut it down" in the midst of a severe thunderstorm.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Hairyfeet on Monday August 10 2015, @06:12PM
If you figure up every black male shot by police in the last 3 years they still number less than blacks murdered by blacks in the last 30 DAYS. Like it or not we have an epidemic in this country, black kids raised by teen mothers that have no fathers and whose role models glorify violence, drug dealing, and the abuse of women...is it really any surprise that people have stopped caring when every.single.day. in the large cities we are seeing huge body counts?
Look up the stats yourselves [infowars.com], links to both the FBI crime stats and the DoJ crime stats are right in the middle of the page, help yourself. For those that can't open PDF files here is just two little facts from those stats, blacks make up 13% of the population yet committed half the murders in the USA, whites are also twice as likely than blacks to be killed by police so the myth of cops going out shooting blacks while ignoring whites is just that, and finally the myth of whites targeting blacks? A black male is more than 40 times as likely to assault a white as vice versa.
If this was sickle cell racking up this many dead a week? We'd be having telethons and every celeb would be on TV demanding a cure, but because this is black teens destroying themselves (and everybody that gets in their way, because as one prison shrink says those black teens raised on the street has the emotional maturity of an 8-12 year old [youtube.com]) what we hear is silence or the same old song and dance about "white racism". Well it ain't whites burning down those neighborhoods, it ain't the whites making up those "flash mobs" looting and assaulting everyone in their path, it ain't the whites that are looking to have Baltimore reach triple digit body count before the end of summer, its out of control blacks between the ages of 14-38.
At the end of the day you will never solve a problem without getting to the root, why do cops shoot black teens? Because they are afraid of them, but WHY are they afraid of them? The numbers above show why they are afraid, because if its a violent crime, be it rape, armed robbery, assault, or murder? Its 8 times more likely to be a black than a white or asian or anybody else. Until you solve THAT problem? All you are doing is blowing smoke. And the hilarious part is a certain section of a certain party will call you "racist" for daring to say black kids killing each other is wrong, like black violence is a "lifestyle choice" that should be respected instead of a problem that should be worked on.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by stackOVFL on Monday August 10 2015, @06:36PM
Not sure why you got Troll on this for. If you read the article you'll see that the shooting was the result of two black folks shooting at each other for over a minute. That seems like black on black to me. I'll probably get troll too.
Just because you don't like what is being said does not make it wrong. The post above mine hit's the nail on the head and is 100% correct.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 11 2015, @06:48AM
Hairy's post had nothing to do with the two shooters at Ferguson. It is a cut-n-paste of his previous post [soylentnews.org] in response to outsourced electronic monitoring of prominent non-violent blacklivesmatter protest organizers and their classification as "physical threats." That this story involved black-on-black crime is just dumb luck on his part, not insight.
Besides, it has already been shown that (a) he made up the numbers and (b) that he cherry-picked the categories of numbers for something that sounds relevant to the credulous but really has nothing to do with the indiscriminate application of state violence to black people.
(Score: 2) by Jeremiah Cornelius on Monday August 10 2015, @06:59PM
Read carefully and thoroughly:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/aug/09/ferguson-civil-rights-movement-deray-mckesson-protest [theguardian.com]
This is the justice issue of our time.
You're betting on the pantomime horse...
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Jeremiah Cornelius on Monday August 10 2015, @07:12PM
You are so full of shit. Selection bias, and faulty methodology - not to mention exclusion of socioeconomic skewing.
You know who's company you keep with this bullshit? Stormfront. And Bill Cosby.
So if you want to engage in intellectual fallacy, there's a couple of association indications.
Fucking racist dirtbag.
You're betting on the pantomime horse...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 10 2015, @07:34PM
Hi. You seem very passionate about this issue. As a passionate person, you should desire strongly that your passion and efforts are not wasted. You should want to be effective in your advocacy.
With me so far? Great.
Ok. A thing that you should be aware of: the accusation of racism is used so casually now, and the prevailing narrative around what is and isn't racism has been so perverted by the academic left, that at this point, none of the people that you need to reach out to and convince actually care about that word or accusations of same.
I don't care if you tell me I am a racist. It just doesn't matter to me any more. In fact, from your short response, I haven't really learned anything about the OP; instead, I've learned something about you.
In order to actually move the needle in this world, with the people you probably need to reach, you will have to do better than being furious and tossing out accusations of racism and attempting character assassinations via proxy or association.
You'll have to actually engage them on their points.
I mean, you don't _have_ to do anything.
But if you want to be effective, you'll have to try something else.
Finally, many people -- especially the American left -- suppose that all of their political opposition will simply die off. You may suppose that racism will die off eventually, and you can just berate people instead of engaging with them until they all finally die off.
I'm not so optimistic. Each time you write that someone gets their ideas from Stormfront, someone new goes and looks at Stormfront. Like many Americans, I was raised to hate racism and desire a racially plural society. I was raised to despise racists. Official society did a good job of reinforcing this. For me, reality didn't match the prevailing mythology.
The prevailing narrative today, in its desire to bring about a racially harmonious society, suppresses honest discussion of race and race issues. And so when you point people at Stormfront, some people go there, and they see a refreshing world of ideas and opinions they haven't seen written down before or discussed openly. And some of what they see, even if superficially, matches their own observations, and takes them further than is perhaps warranted.
The Manifesto of Dylan Roof suggests to me that this was roughly his own personal journey - raised on the myth, frustrated when he saw it crumble, and received into a world of forbidden ideas at places like Stormfront.
Shouting "fucking racist" at people you don't like, over race issues you wished didn't have a shred of merit, creates more Dylan Roofs.
So, if you want to be effective, you need to change your approach.
Best of luck.
(Score: 2) by Jeremiah Cornelius on Monday August 10 2015, @07:42PM
https://twitter.com/ShaunKing [twitter.com]
https://twitter.com/AnonCopWatch [twitter.com]
https://twitter.com/Nettaaaaaaaa [twitter.com]
https://twitter.com/deray [twitter.com]
You're betting on the pantomime horse...
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 10 2015, @08:12PM
whites are also twice as likely than blacks to be killed by police so the myth of cops going out shooting blacks"
from the link you provided
"According to data from the Centers for Disease Control, between 1999 and 2011, 2,151 whites died as a result of being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks."
Whites make up for 77.7% of the US population. Do the math again.
(Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Monday August 10 2015, @08:37PM
...which proves what exactly? I mean it's not like police should be held to a higher standard than gang bangers right? I find this sort of spin more disturbing that I can possibly describe.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 10 2015, @10:00PM
The point there is that we do have a problem with the police, but the community itself would be better served to police their own as that's a much larger problem that the cops can't solve. Things are changing in police departments with the dashboard cams and now body cams, but black on black violence is a much larger problem and one that is even less likely to be solved any time soon.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 10 2015, @11:58PM
The point there is that we do have a problem with the police, but the community itself would be better served to police their own as that's a much larger problem that the cops can't solve.
Those are not mutually exclusive options.
Framing them as if they were is mendacious.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anal Pumpernickel on Monday August 10 2015, @08:59PM
If you figure up every black male shot by police in the last 3 years they still number less than blacks murdered by blacks in the last 30 DAYS.
What is your point? Why does this matter? It is significantly worse for the government to be corrupt than it is for random criminals to be corrupt. The government is supposed to be of the people, by the people, and for the people, so it is far worse when an institution of the people abuses people's rights. You seem to think we can just ignore government abuse because you think there is a worse problem happening elsewhere.
At the end of the day you will never solve a problem without getting to the root, why do cops shoot black teens?
Because cops are usually incompetent, racist, and outright malicious. A supposedly higher crime rate from some race does not warrant targeting someone for being a member of said race; that is unconstitutional (because skin color does not grant them authority to destroy someone's rights) and racist garbage. Your fearmongering overlooks the countless innocents who have their rights violated.
The government routinely violates the constitution and people's rights, and that is not a problem that can or should be solved by merely reducing the crime rates.
(Score: 2) by Nerdfest on Monday August 10 2015, @09:53PM
You're generalizing all police in the same manner you claim they're targeting potential criminals.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 10 2015, @10:10PM
> You're generalizing all police in the same manner you claim they're targeting potential criminals.
Nobody is born a cop. It is a self-selecting group.
So, while he is generalizing about the police, it isn't even close to the way the cops target black men.
(Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Tuesday August 11 2015, @12:50AM
Really? Where did I use the word "all" or say anything similar? And even in cases where a specific cop does not violate people's rights themselves, they will often stick up for and lie for cops that do.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday August 11 2015, @01:12AM
> And even in cases where a specific cop does not violate people's rights themselves, they will often stick up for and lie for cops that do.
Don't you know, when one muslim does something terrible, any muslim who does nothing is actually condoning it.
But when one cop does something terrible, other cops have no responsibility at all.
That's the difference between being a member of a widely distributed religion and being a cop with a clearly defined management hierarchy.
(Score: 2) by Nerdfest on Tuesday August 11 2015, @04:58PM
Because cops are usually incompetent, racist, and outright malicious.
Right there.
(Score: 2) by Anal Pumpernickel on Tuesday August 11 2015, @09:11PM
What part of "usually" is not clear? Even the ones who don't do the rights violating tend to defend and lie for those that do. I strongly believe "usually" is correct.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday August 10 2015, @09:53PM
If you figure up every black male shot by police in the last 3 years they still number less than blacks murdered by blacks in the last 30 DAYS.
If you are going to make up numbers to justify your racist sophistry, don't pick numbers that can be proven false.
Cops killed at least 264 black males in just one year. [killedbypolice.net]
In 2013, the most recent year for which full numbers are available, total black on black homicide was 2,245. For an average of 185 per 30 days. [fbi.gov]
And all that ignores the fact that the numbers you picked are irrelevant to the question of the proper use of state power. What citizens do to each other is categorically not the same as what the state does to citizens.
(Score: 2) by Hairyfeet on Tuesday August 11 2015, @08:36AM
Here ya go friend, do the math [bjs.gov]. The last year we have reliable statistics as after 2005 Hispanics became white we have 8000 black homicides of which 93% were black on black, or 7440. Divide that by 12 and what do ya get? 620 per month. Now you could try to argue that there is less black on black crime, please show your figures AND remove the "Hispanics equal white" to get an accurate number please, but even if crime went down by HALF we are still looking at 320 per month which is more than 264, HAND.
ACs are never seen so don't bother. Always ready to show SJWs for the racists they are.