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posted by cmn32480 on Thursday September 03 2015, @05:27AM   Printer-friendly
from the not-something-to-joke-about dept.

One of the sisters who has been sentenced to be repeatedly raped because her brother eloped with a woman from a higher caste has said she cannot return home because she fears village elders will want to take revenge on her.

An illegal jury, composed of male upper caste Baghpat village elders, reportedly ordered the gang rape of Meenakshi Kumari, 23, and her 15-year-old sister after their brother Ravi eloped with a married woman, known only as Krishna, from a higher caste.

Ms Kumari, fearing for their lives, petitioned India's Supreme Court for protection. The case brought international attention after an Amnesty International petition to save the two girls from the punishment garnered more than 200,000 signatures.


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  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @05:30AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @05:30AM (#231583)

    Terribly misogynistic shit happens in third-world villages all the damn time.
    But what actual insight can anyone here possibly have about it?

    • (Score: 2, Touché) by chrysosphinx on Thursday September 03 2015, @05:55AM

      by chrysosphinx (5262) on Thursday September 03 2015, @05:55AM (#231588)

      Terrible shit happens all over the globe by the upper caste all the damn time. That's my actual insight.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:11AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:11AM (#231593)

        > Terrible shit happens all over the globe by the upper caste all the damn time. That's my actual insight.

        Well gee, that is so generic as to be basically meaningless. But if you say its an insight then it must be insightful to you.

        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:11PM

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:11PM (#231884) Journal

          I find it interesting because I thought the caste system had been banned in India. That this made it to the Indian Supreme Court demonstrates how prevalent it still is.

          • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:04PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:04PM (#231899)

            > I find it interesting because I thought the caste system had been banned in India.

            It has been banned exactly as much as racism has been banned in the US.

            In fact, just like there are whiny "oppressed white males" in the US, there are whiny "oppressed upper castes" in India. [time.com]

            PS, just because its interesting doesn't mean anyone here has anything insightful to say about it.

            • (Score: 2) by edIII on Thursday September 03 2015, @09:16PM

              by edIII (791) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 03 2015, @09:16PM (#231973)

              Yeah..... white males have absolutely nothing to complain about. We can't right?

              The moment we do, it's automatically disingenuous to any conversation possible, simply because we are white males. It's technically impossible to oppress any white male in existence.

              Cuz we own everything or something right?

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      • (Score: 2, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 03 2015, @02:04PM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 03 2015, @02:04PM (#231742) Homepage Journal

        So - it is your position that lowere castes don't do terrible things? Surely not! Lemme change continents for this one - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/southafrica/1362134/South-African-men-rape-babies-as-cure-for-Aids.html [telegraph.co.uk] These men certainly aren't "upper caste".

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        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:08PM

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:08PM (#231883) Journal

          ...South-African-men-rape-babies-as-cure-for-Aids.html These men certainly aren't "upper caste".
           
          There is no caste system in South Africa.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:27PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:27PM (#231888)

            There is no caste system in South Africa.

            Well, technically true, in that apartheid is now officially ended. But then, I'm pretty sure that there are many black South Africans who will vehemently disagree with you.

            Also, what the hell is up with the double-f abomination thingy?!? It's like a cancer taking over the whole damn intertubes!!!

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday September 04 2015, @12:31AM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 04 2015, @12:31AM (#232052) Homepage Journal

            There are class or caste systems throughout the world. Think about that for a bit. Right here in the US, where caste systems are blatantly illegal, we have multiple classes of people. If you don't believe that, just leave your comfort zone, and go out to visit a few people. A poor black person in the inner city knows that his class is pretty much beneath the notice of some rich bitch like a Chelsea Clinton.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 04 2015, @03:57PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 04 2015, @03:57PM (#232300)

          >> These men certainly aren't "upper caste".

          Or even real. I live in South Africa. This is not a real thing. It does not happen. It is racist propaganda.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @05:56AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @05:56AM (#231589)

      Perhaps that some of the folks who post here are so full of themselves and their "white male oppression" fantasies that they will post:
      a) support for the statements of those who say the women made it up.
      b) derogitory statements about the women, for lulz
      c) bullshit posts including the term "SJW" written in a voice that makes one imagine spittle flying in all directions when reading.
      d-z... equally fucked up statements.

      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:21AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:21AM (#231597)

        While the next two posts proved your ability to prognosticate, I don't think baiting the same tired old misogyny is insightful. At best it is just something for the zugnub and f-fueled types to use for public masturbation - makes them feel good about themselves while the rest of us who have to see it are, once again, icked out.

    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by zugedneb on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:02AM

      by zugedneb (4556) on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:02AM (#231591)

      Since we live in the world of woman, some things can not be said.
      But I will say them anyways: I wonder how it feels to torture a man to death.
      I want to do all the shit. Poking out the eyes, needles in the testicles, pulling out the teeth, burning of the fingers...
      And, lo and behold, these male villagers have no human value in my eyes...
      You know, we could do it...

      But u see, only the evil can have some fun...
      Isis can rape and murder who they want... Especially young woman...
      Village elders can rape and torture who they want... Especially young woman...

      The little white me, have to own up, slap some style on me, and consume jewish products to get some frustrated and boring white pussy...

      There are so many insights in any given situation...

      --
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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by davester666 on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:01AM

        by davester666 (155) on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:01AM (#231607)

        The idea that doing any of these things would be "fun" and "I want to do all the shit" puts you right beside all those people, not against them.

        • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by zugedneb on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:13AM

          by zugedneb (4556) on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:13AM (#231615)

          choose your friends, choose your enemies

          --
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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:31PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:31PM (#231890)

            choose your friends, choose your enemies

            Oh, I've made my choice already, little man. You may want to make yourself scarce for the next little while. At least until I forget again who you are. Just sayin'.

            • (Score: 2) by zugedneb on Thursday September 03 2015, @08:23PM

              by zugedneb (4556) on Thursday September 03 2015, @08:23PM (#231942)

              you are a strange kind.
              sometimes talk to people like you.
              conversations go like this.
              me: you know isis executes woman for not having sex with them?
              you: yeah...

              what I say then: I would like to torture them to death...
              what you hear: "I would like to torture a nice, ethnic human being to death..."

              If you call me little, you have no idea who your enemies or friends are.

              you make me sad

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @11:04PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @11:04PM (#232024)

                you are a strange kind.

                Right back at ya, little man. Next time, try responding to what I actually wrote, rather than the conversations going on in your feeble imagination. It might help in communicating with each other.

                If you call me little, you have no idea who your enemies or friends are.

                Trust me, with each round I'm getting a much, much clearer picture of who you are.

                you make me sad

                Of that, I have no doubt, but then I can't really help you with whatever emotional/psychological issues you are struggling with. For that you will likely need professional help.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 03 2015, @02:07PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 03 2015, @02:07PM (#231746) Homepage Journal

          Agreed. Zug's posts speak volumes more than he can possibly be aware of.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:09PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:09PM (#231902)

            No, he is 100% aware. If you go through his posting history you'll see on at least one occasion that he's openly accepted that he is a tribalist and that his moral compass is purely guided by an us-versus-them mentality. In all my decades on the internet I have never met someone so willing to own their own bigotry. Kind of refreshing because at least you know there is no point in even engaging.

            • (Score: 2) by zugedneb on Thursday September 03 2015, @08:50PM

              by zugedneb (4556) on Thursday September 03 2015, @08:50PM (#231962)

              Honestly it is more than just trolling and antisocial behaviour.
              But see, as long as there are people in the country who have to train to kill and interrogate, that is the police and military, I see no reason to be the emo newfag, who everyone knows will not be around when the fight comes.

              You know, I speak like this in real life to.
              Sometimes, you can read in the paper someone killing a woman or a child.
              People say, he needs mental care.
              I say, both the mental-careists and the culprit needs to be cooked alive.
              I would honestly consider it entertaining.

              There are a lot of opinions around that needs police escort :D

              So I challenge you: find in any of my posts something that threatens a truly precious human being.
              You will not find it.

              Instead, you will find this: you are the kind of person, who decides that you want to survive at any price.
              If the turks come, you will become a muslim, to live.
              On the other hand, if the turks come, I will be around to kill them.
              And you know, instinctively, that my kind hates your kind more then the enemy.
              I will kill you for who you are, the same as I will kill the enemy.
              In my eyes, you are not better then them.
              You will consider very carefully if you will be around in times of need.
              And this is you sentence for it: death...

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @09:45PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @09:45PM (#231984)

                You know, you didn't actually have to demonstrate the truth of my words. Don't get me wrong, it's always nice to have backup, but you didn't have to put yourself out on my account.

                • (Score: 2) by zugedneb on Thursday September 03 2015, @09:52PM

                  by zugedneb (4556) on Thursday September 03 2015, @09:52PM (#231987)

                  don't understand you.
                  from a lot of points, life is a nightmare.
                  sometimes I speak them...
                  this is all an aspect of life.
                  there are a lot of people like this.
                  evolution made them at some point, maybe to aid the tribe?
                  we are also a port of life.
                  what we say is also a part of the whole truth.

                  would you prefer not to hear it?

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    • (Score: 0, Flamebait) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:17AM

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:17AM (#231596) Homepage

      As a light-skinned man with Straight White Male Privilege, I ask: Where is that place?

      I'd move to it! It's the next best thing to Serbian rape camps [wikipedia.org] and much more modern with less risk of being killed unlike those Durka-Durka [wikipedia.org] places.

      • (Score: 1, Troll) by zugedneb on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:43AM

        by zugedneb (4556) on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:43AM (#231603)

        Thank you for the link, bro :D
        Witch brings me to the next topic: the jewish lies:
        look at this "camp brothel" made by the nazis in the "third reich", according to wikipedia:
        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_enslavement_by_Nazi_Germany_in_World_War_II [wikipedia.org]

        Those pictures are an other example jewsh lies: look at the construction quality...
        Stone pillars for the roof, polished marble stairs, stone and brick walls...

        Who the fuck constructs such brothels in the middle of a war in a concentration camp?

        Only the jews can do this... They pick some random shit, and than claim it was made for them in a concentration camp... :DDDD

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    • (Score: 1) by Marco2G on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:02AM

      by Marco2G (5749) on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:02AM (#231608)

      The insight that sometimes racism is not completely irrational?

      • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Nerdfest on Thursday September 03 2015, @10:34AM

        by Nerdfest (80) on Thursday September 03 2015, @10:34AM (#231653)

        Racism is always irrational. Culturalism isn't though.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:27PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:27PM (#231912)

          > Racism is always irrational. Culturalism isn't though.

          Lol, talk about splitting hairs.

          Race is culture. Perhaps you don't remember the times when irish, italians and germans were all excluded from the "white" race. [vox.com]

        • (Score: 2) by CirclesInSand on Thursday September 03 2015, @09:37PM

          by CirclesInSand (2899) on Thursday September 03 2015, @09:37PM (#231982)

          I assure you, you want a racist doctor. A doctor that knows which medicine to prescribe to which race is a much better doctor than a doctor who believes that all people are the same.

          And since I know someone is going to think "that's not real racism", let me just preemptively direct that someone to wikipedia [wikipedia.org] .

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @09:47PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @09:47PM (#231985)

            > A doctor that knows which medicine to prescribe to which race is a much better doctor than a doctor who believes that all people are the same.

            Yeah, I really want a doctor who is going to prescribe medicine based on my race rather than my symptoms. That is the pinnacle of scientific medicine. Top notch all the way!

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @05:52AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @05:52AM (#231587)
    She shouldn't return anyway to such a fucked up place.

    It's not likely the police can get any witnesses to testify against the village elders ("he said she said"). So what could they do given a limited budget? Maybe if her sister is raped there would be actual evidence.
    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:08AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:08AM (#231592)

      > She shouldn't return anyway to such a fucked up place.

      Duh. If only life were that easy.

      That's the only place she has family. Given just how backward the village is, she probably doesn't have much more than 5th-grade education. What are her options? Having no support network makes her vulnerable to all kinds predations too.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Some call me Tim on Thursday September 03 2015, @05:56AM

    by Some call me Tim (5819) on Thursday September 03 2015, @05:56AM (#231590)

    This is a country that can put satellites in orbit, yet these reprehensible, socially backwards kinds of things are still allowed to happen. I can't pretend to have a clue about their culture, but for crying out loud, you'd think the intelligent scientific types would drag the rest of the country out of the 15th century already! As a side note to our elected leaders, how about cutting off all H1Bs until these laws are changed? The current administration is concerned about these kind of abuses right? *crickets*

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:17AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:17AM (#231595)

      > you'd think the intelligent scientific types would drag the rest of the country out of the 15th century already!

      Easier said than done. The country has a billion people in it and the middle-class, which is less than 5% of the population, exists solely in the cities, not out in the boonies where they don't even have cell service.

      > how about cutting off all H1Bs until these laws are changed?

      Your solution to a problem that only a strong middle-class can overcome is to cut off one the easiest ways for people there to join the middle class?

      Seems like you've found a way to make this tragedy benefit yourself. Such a humanitarian you are!

      • (Score: 1) by Some call me Tim on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:33AM

        by Some call me Tim (5819) on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:33AM (#231601)

        You conveniently missed the part where I said "I have no clue about their culture" so maybe you could cut me some slack? I don't pretend to have the answer for their cultural problems, I'm just stating the obvious. How would this benefit me in any way? I realize this site is mostly IT types and maybe that's where your hostility comes from, but I'm strictly a hardware guy, H1Bs don't affect me at all (yet). Just for general information, if I want to jump down someones throat for some imagined slight, I'll log in to do it and not hide behind AC.

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:43AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:43AM (#231624)

          > You conveniently missed the part where I said "I have no clue about their culture" so maybe you could cut me some slack?

          Oh I saw it and recognized it as the bullshit passive-aggressive excuse that it was.

          > I'm just stating the obvious.

          The "just stating the obvious" is the oldest passive-aggressive tactic on the internet, also known as "just saying" and "just making an observation."

          > I'm strictly a hardware guy, H1Bs don't affect me at all (yet).

          Don't fool yourself. Qualcomm alone brought in 350 hardware engineers on H1B in 2013 and another 100+ in 2014.

          > Just for general information, if I want to jump down someones throat for some imagined slight, I'll log in to do it and not hide behind AC.

          More passive aggressiveness. Translation: "I am so much better than you because you are anonymous while I log into a completely anonymous account."

          Look, I can be passive aggressive too!

    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:24AM

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:24AM (#231598) Homepage

      Yes, yes, I can understand the India hate within Western countries.

      But it's pretty hypocritical to hate on India when your governments are in bed with scum like the Saudis and Turks -- scum so dastardly that any sane society would have wiped them off the face of the map by now, if those dastardly scum weren't so useful to our short-term goals.

      If I were president of the U.S. I'd team up with China, Russia, and India to wipe out the Middle-East (including Israel) and then divide up the spoils amongst the true allies in a fair manner.

      India is getting with the fucking times despite its imperfections. The Saudis are not. Liquidate the Saudis.

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by aristarchus on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:54AM

        by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:54AM (#231606) Journal

        Never have I seen anti-semitism condensed to its purest genocidal form.

        Yes, if we wipe them all out . . . .

        Of course, the alternate solution is that they wipe us all out. . . .

        The real question is: Who is us? We may not be who you think we are, or even who we think we are. Those people may by our brothers and sisteren, or at least cousins. He would judge the infidel, has already proven to be the infidel. Right there in the Quran, sura something or another. Look it up. Until then, the Prophet/God named Jesus said: let he who is without sin throw the first stone. Got that, ISIS?

        (And with chagrin, I look up and realize I am responding to Ethanol! Could there be a more pointless exercise? Does the depth of irony know no bounds? How much longer are we to be burdened with this and the Gamergate posts of Mighty Buzzard? No, seriously, I am asking. Does anyone know? )

        --
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        • (Score: 0, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:06AM

          by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:06AM (#231611) Homepage

          There are plenty of Jews in the world besides those who reside in Israel. And I did also advocate wiping out a shitload of Muzzies and seculars who didn't have the balls to properly stand up to Erdogan.

          If I am advocating genocide, I am advocating it to the entire Middle-East.

          • (Score: 2) by Dr Spin on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:18AM

            by Dr Spin (5239) on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:18AM (#231617)

            Who are Muzzies? I thought it meant mosquitos. Some people don't live in your world.

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          • (Score: 5, Insightful) by aristarchus on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:26AM

            by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:26AM (#231620) Journal

            Oh, that makes it alright? Indiscriminate genocide is better that the more specific versions? No, Eth, what you said was just wrong. Wrong on many levels. This is what makes you such a poor troll! If you want to provoke Soylentils, you will have to use a much finer brush. Not genocide, but patricide? What if we just took out all the males of the age of majority in your target area? Not like it hasn't been done before with first born sons! Or if we just take out the Wahabists! Now there is an idea! We can refute a religious ideology with targeted killings. Oh, I forget, you are ex-Navy, currently military contractor, or as we in civilian life call them, mercenary. So I would guess that you are incapable of imagining any resolution to a disaggrement that did not involve firepower, and the final solution of firepower, which is genocide.

            I want to say, that in spite of my initial and continuing desire to see you banned from SoylentNews, I do in fact hold out hope that you could actually become a cogent and rational contributor to our discussions. I hold the same hope for The Mighty Buzzard, and even jmorris and khallow. You should not draw any conclusions from the inclusion in this list. But the point is, once you get beyond your own ideological blinders, there is a whole world of people who think, and thinking can be influenced by, for the most part, better thinking. You are not contributing to the better thinking here with anti-semetic genocidal rants. So, please, stop.

            Yours, Aristarchus.

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            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @08:18AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @08:18AM (#231628)

              >I want to say, that in spite of my initial and continuing desire to see you
              >banned from SoylentNews, I do in fact hold out hope that you could actually
              >become a cogent and rational contributor to our discussions. I hold the same
              >hope for The Mighty Buzzard, and even jmorris and khallow.

              Yes, I find it most curious. I read posts by them and they will
              say intelligent, thoughtful things but then, in the next breath, they come out
              with the most vile and appalling stuff. I dont get it, I dont understand
              the cognitive dissonance they so often display.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @11:16AM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @11:16AM (#231670)

                It is common to have multiple accounts and even anonymous posts attacking certain users.

                They don't hope to get anyone banned, but put the idea in the mind of the hapless reader that these certain users are a nuisance, might be insane, are an old problem and are to be ignored. Even when E-Fueled's comment calls for genocide (in jest, of course) of the whole middle east. And you call it anti-semitic. Do you also think that 99 non-jews and 1 jew dying makes it a holocaust? Doesn't that make it "genocide"? Isn't a a non-jew life just as important as a jew life?

        • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday September 03 2015, @08:53AM

          by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday September 03 2015, @08:53AM (#231635)

          Erm...how is it anti-Semitism if he's saying wipe out both Saudi Arabia and Israel?

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          • (Score: 2) by eof on Thursday September 03 2015, @01:44PM

            by eof (5559) on Thursday September 03 2015, @01:44PM (#231724)

            Semite |ˈsemīt|
            noun
            a member of any of the peoples who speak or spoke a Semitic language, including in particular the Jews and Arabs.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 03 2015, @02:28PM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 03 2015, @02:28PM (#231756) Homepage Journal

            Jews and Arabs are both Semitic. I thought everyone knew that. I think that Persians (Iran, primarily) are not Semitic, and Sumerians are not Semitic, but pretty much everyone else in the mideast can lay claim to kinship with the Jews. If they want to, that is.

            https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic_people [wikipedia.org]
            https://www.quora.com/Do-both-Jews-and-Arabs-belong-to-the-Semitic-race-Why-is-that-most-Jews-seem-to-resemble-Europeans-rather-than-Arabs-in-terms-of-appearance-then [quora.com]

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            • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:20PM

              by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:20PM (#231907)

              Huh. I feel like I've only ever heard the term "anti-Semitic" used to mean "you hate Jews." Interesting.

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              • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:22PM

                by tangomargarine (667) on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:22PM (#231910)

                Antisemitism (also spelled anti-Semitism or anti-semitism) is prejudice against, hatred of, or discrimination against Jews as an ethnic, religious, or racial group.

                Oh, right. This is a linguistic problem related to what we mean when we say "Jewish."

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @08:36PM

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @08:36PM (#231950)

                > Huh. I feel like I've only ever heard the term "anti-Semitic" used to mean "you hate Jews." Interesting.

                Everytime I've heard someone go dictionary pedant about semites being arabs too it turned out that they were anti-jewish and looking to fuzz up the converation.

                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday September 04 2015, @12:34AM

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 04 2015, @12:34AM (#232055) Homepage Journal

                  Either that - or maybe you should be reminded that the bloodiest wars are usually those fought between family members. Or, maybe the term "antisemitic" has no real meaning.

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              • (Score: 2) by etherscythe on Friday September 04 2015, @05:10PM

                by etherscythe (937) on Friday September 04 2015, @05:10PM (#232339) Journal

                Indeed. The only time I hear the term is when someone is hating on jews. Of course, it's in vogue to hate on "those damn terrorists" these days, so perhaps the meaning has skewed in the popular lexicon.

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          • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:26PM

            by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:26PM (#231887) Journal

            I guess it would not make sense if you did not know what "semite" means.

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        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 03 2015, @02:18PM

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 03 2015, @02:18PM (#231752) Homepage Journal

          You're from Ohio, then?

          http://chagrin-falls.org/ [chagrin-falls.org]

          I've got a story about going through that town - but it's a rather long one . . . .

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    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Zz9zZ on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:25AM

      by Zz9zZ (1348) on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:25AM (#231599)

      You are ignoring the vast difference between India and any other country besides China. The massive population carries a lot of cultural momentum. Screwed up stuff happens in every country, but you're comparing apples to oranges. Third world conditions (I presume this village counts) make this stuff easier for people to get away with, but the internet is leveling that field.

      Your proposals are desirable, but foreign policy is a bit more complicated. If we can impose sanctions for screwed up actions then what about the race murders that happen in the US where the killers go free? We are a country that's put people on the moon, yet we've tortured and incarcerated innocents in this modern age of civility and moral rightness...

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    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:48AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:48AM (#231604)
      India is a huge country, and it's still extremely socially stratified. Ancient and barbaric customs like those described still persist in some places in rural India, even though there are laws against them. Discrimination by caste was made illegal in the 1950s, but it's probably going to take a lot longer than half a century to eradicate the last vestiges of a discriminatory system that existed for thousands of years. For comparison it took longer than half a century for the United States to get rid of slavery, and there are still vestiges of racial discrimination that persist in the United States even today.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:03AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:03AM (#231609)

      This is a country that can put satellites in orbit, yet these reprehensible, socially backwards kinds of things are still allowed to happen.

      Sounds just like Wyoming, where Matthew Shepard can be sentence to death by an illegal jury, and Dick "Dick" Cheney can become President of Vice. (But, of course, Liz could not get a current fishing license, so there is that, besides all the raping.)

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Marco2G on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:07AM

      by Marco2G (5749) on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:07AM (#231612)

      The rest of the world thinks similarly about the US.

      • (Score: 0, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:15AM

        by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:15AM (#231616) Homepage

        And what the fuck you gonna do about it? We own your country.

        We own your elected officials. Your people will follow us right off a cliff and won't raise a single objection doing so.

        America, Fuck yeah!

        • (Score: 2, Funny) by blackhawk on Thursday September 03 2015, @08:10AM

          by blackhawk (5275) on Thursday September 03 2015, @08:10AM (#231627)

          You poor little thing, so starved for attention you have to troll on online forum for negative attention. Have a free hug on me.

    • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:20AM

      by maxwell demon (1608) on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:20AM (#231618) Journal

      Americans have even sent men to the moon, and yet there's no lack of backwards kinds of things, especially among religious people. It's just sheer luck that the dominant religion in America doesn't allow for things like gang rape as punishment; I'm pretty sure if it did, it would happen in America, too. As is, fortunately it's mostly restricted to things like homophobia and banning evolution from schoolbooks.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:49AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:49AM (#231625)

        > It's just sheer luck that the dominant religion in America doesn't allow for things like gang rape as punishment;

        Nah, we just did lynch mobs - and usually pardoned the participants - until a few decades ago. Still get them occasionally as Brandon Teena and Matthew Shepard would testify. Strange fruit.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @10:20AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @10:20AM (#231650)

      India, or the US?

    • (Score: 2) by Anne Nonymous on Thursday September 03 2015, @01:40PM

      by Anne Nonymous (712) on Thursday September 03 2015, @01:40PM (#231722)

      > the intelligent scientific types would drag the rest of the country out of the 15th century already

      Still waiting for that to happen here in the USA.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 03 2015, @02:13PM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 03 2015, @02:13PM (#231748) Homepage Journal

      The movie, "India's Daughter", produced in honor of that girl who was brutally raped, then died. It would give you some insights into Indian culture. The girl wanted to be a nurse, so badly. But, many people were against her getting an education, because she "belongs in the kitchen, barefoot and pregnant." I do invite you to download and watch it.

      An educated person in India is also most likely a member of a backward tribe. His/her family made great sacrifices, and maybe the tribe kicked in, for that person to get an education. Sadly, the education might possibly pull the individual out of the backward, superstitious atmosphere he grew up in - but it doesn't necessarily work that way.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:37PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:37PM (#231919)

      The USA put men on the moon over 40 years ago, but they still have Texas... And people who murder abortion doctors, they don't have socialized medicine and they willfully ignore climate change (for religious and financial reasons).

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by Zz9zZ on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:36AM

    by Zz9zZ (1348) on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:36AM (#231602)

    This is an important piece of news, but I don't see why its on SN. There really isn't anything to discuss, and it already has international traction. Unless Phoenix666 is trying to out the misogynists by their reactions :P Not even a link to become an internet activist

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:11AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:11AM (#231613)

      It is always worthwhile to "out" the misogynists. In their native habitat, it looks like they are just seeking a mate. But then we realize that they hate the opposite sex, and are really closet homosexuals. Of course, they do not know this, so if we can "catch them in the act", and make clear to them their inherent, deep, and thrusting homosexuality, they will of course cease to be misogynists and just be flaming faggots.

      I know this is difficult and unrewarded work. Almost none of our clients every say: "Thank you, I did not realize I was gay!" But you know, it is as in all things, the small majority who can admit the true right away make the work worthwhile. And they all will, eventually. So, welcome, all you gamergaters and Hindu courts of very little brain, to the world of same sex sexuality. Namaste.

      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Zz9zZ on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:24AM

        by Zz9zZ (1348) on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:24AM (#231619)

        Meh, social crusades aren't really my thing. The best thing is to always stay calm and clearly address points you disagree with. Getting all angry is the worst thing you can do, and will only serve to emotionally polarize the people you are trying to "save". Although re-reading your post, it is hard to tell if you're serious or being sarcastic, kinda feeling like sarcastic.

        Stories such as this result in the extreme comments in this thread, and make the site more toxic with the hate flying back and forth. But I guess that's the point for some :/

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    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Phoenix666 on Thursday September 03 2015, @12:35PM

      by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 03 2015, @12:35PM (#231695) Journal

      No, nothing like that. I don't usually submit stuff like this and didn't expect any insightful discussion (in fact it's played out about how I thought it would). But I submitted it because I hadn't heard about it and found it deeply appalling and thought, "This is a culture that we outsource our jobs to and whose practitioners we allow to come to our countries as H1B's (or the equivalent elsewhere)." I'm a globalist and committed xenophile, but the story gave me pause.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 04 2015, @08:43PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 04 2015, @08:43PM (#232417)

        Yeah, and imagine if the story was even true!

  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by penguinoid on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:48AM

    by penguinoid (5331) on Thursday September 03 2015, @06:48AM (#231605)

    Other countries, such as America, sentence people to get raped all the time -- and this is done by the official judiciary system, not some illegal group. Think "Don't drop the soap" jokes.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @04:50PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @04:50PM (#231851)

      America isn't a country.

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by No Respect on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:05AM

    by No Respect (991) on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:05AM (#231610)

    Awful shitty things happening there.

    Why do I need to read about it here? Please show your work and explain EXACTLY why. kthxbye

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @08:34AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @08:34AM (#231629)

      Why do I need to read about it here?

      Because Phoenix666 saw it, thought it would be a good idea to submit it, and did so. And then cmn32480 came along, saw the submission, also thought that it is a good fit for this site, and accepted it.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by t-3 on Thursday September 03 2015, @10:44AM

      by t-3 (4907) on Thursday September 03 2015, @10:44AM (#231659) Journal

      Because SoylentNews is people, not news for nerds. This is a story that I personally knew nothing about until I saw it here and it has given me new insight into the state of gender equality in the world. Really, there's no reason to object to this story being posted here that I can think of, care to enlighten me as to your reasons?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 04 2015, @08:50PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 04 2015, @08:50PM (#232419)

        Soylent News is People and Stuff that Matters are the lame, cop-out excuses used when one can't justify in the slightest why an offtopic story is posted. The great catch-all. Why don't we talk about a Kardashian ass or sports? Hey, Soylent News is People, we should be discussing this stuff too. We should really open up the queue for Hollywood gossip because, well, Soylent News is People.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday September 03 2015, @12:53PM

      by Phoenix666 (552) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 03 2015, @12:53PM (#231701) Journal

      99% of what I submit is fully within the tech & science realm. Many of us on SN have regular contact with India or Indians because so much tech work has been outsourced to that country and so many folks from there have come to our respective countries to work next to us in tech; this therefore seemed somewhat relevant as a place/culture/mindset we deal with. It was sealed for me to submit it because it was not a crime, but decided by authority. "Sentenced to gang rape" and not even for anything they did, but because their brother married a girl from a higher caste, was deeply appalling to me on many levels. People in tech have been doing a lot of reassessment of doing business with America, Britain, and the rest of the Five Eyes because of deeply criminal surveillance conducted by their structures of authority, and this may warrant similar deep thinking about doing business with India.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 03 2015, @02:33PM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 03 2015, @02:33PM (#231762) Homepage Journal

        Never apologize. Never explain. Your freinds don't need it, and your enemies won't believe it. You just submit whatever the hell you want to submit, and joke all the rest of them if they can't take a fuck.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:29PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @07:29PM (#231914)

          > and joke all the rest of them if they can't take a fuck.

          What does that even mean?

          Oh right, never explain...

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday September 04 2015, @01:39AM

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Friday September 04 2015, @01:39AM (#232074) Homepage Journal

            Google explains all kinds of things, my anonymous friend. Google even takes the time to explain things to nameless, faceless anonymous cowards!

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @04:28PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @04:28PM (#231837)

        > Many of us on SN have regular contact with India or Indians

        Ugh. This is something that happened out in the boonies where they don't even have electricity. Your association is worse than judging someone living in the heart of san francisco based on the actions of people in the most isolated areas of appalachia.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 04 2015, @08:37PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 04 2015, @08:37PM (#232415)

        You simply just like posting bullshit clickbait crap. 99% of the stuff you post is politicized crap. The first sentence of this post says who has been sentenced to be repeatedly raped . Pretty definitive statement there. You don't even need to click through the link, just hover over it and even the link denys this: http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/villagers-deny-indian-sisters-rape-punishment-claims-10480865.html

  • (Score: 5, Informative) by AnonTechie on Thursday September 03 2015, @09:53AM

    by AnonTechie (2275) on Thursday September 03 2015, @09:53AM (#231645) Journal
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    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday September 03 2015, @03:09PM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday September 03 2015, @03:09PM (#231786) Homepage Journal

      From your link:

      "Unelected village councils like the one in Baghpat do mete out rough justice in many parts of rural India, ruling on matters of marriage, property and how women should dress. In rare instances the councils have ordered rape as a punishment.

      However, it typically is difficult to confirm such rulings because village councils usually only issue verbal orders, and no record is kept of proceedings."

      So, it all comes down to "he said, she said, then he said". I think it's time for an nsaid.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @03:17PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @03:17PM (#231790)

      The petition said the council was comprised of upper caste men.

      The village council is actually more than 80 percent female and headed by a woman who, like the sisters, is from the bottom of the caste hierarchy.

      "How many times do I have to tell you that there was no meeting?" said Bala Devi, 55, who has run the council for the last five years. "We spend our time discussing mundane things like fixing the roads or water pumps."

      I'd take it to be more believable that village councils do boring village council things than enact their sexualized version of the Spanish Inquisition.

      This is another non-story baited by the current social climate and everyone that has a stake in the current conflict will eat it up. It is amusing to me that a rural family in India even knows how to game the west to their advantage in the courts.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @04:07PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @04:07PM (#231820)

        So it's more believable to you that woman in rural India has an innate understanding of which certain triggers to push to cause a shitstorm than that people who are accused of something reprehensible are lying when they deny it?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @05:47PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @05:47PM (#231870)

          Yes [wikipedia.org]

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @08:51PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 03 2015, @08:51PM (#231963)

            One "small" problem with your citation. That was an example of manipulation within their culture. The original premise is that these Indian women knew how to manipulate western culture.