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Ok, I meant to have an open forum about moderation *way* before this point. I did read the various feedback and comments left on my journal and the last moderation, and have made some changes to the moderation system.
First, mod points now expire after eight hours. I'm willing to extend this to 12 or 16 hours after I'm sure comments will still reach +5 fairly regularly. With luck, we'll get to the point we can extend mod-points to last a full 24 hours which I suspect will end most of the complaining on them vanishing too soon.
Second, I'd like to open the floor to making a more fundamental change to the moderation system. Specifically, allowing people to post AND moderate in the same discussion. We've seen plenty of posts get up to +5, which means 3-4 people gave up their right to post to keep our comments high quality. This was brought up during our last plea for stories, and I wanted to solicit more feedback before unleashing this upon the site.
I've floated the idea on IRC, and it seems there's a fair bit of support for removing the post/moderate split, though we'd need to make some changes to prevent rampant abuse. Here's what was suggested to keep things sane:
Ok, I meant to have an open forum about moderation *way* before this point. I did read the various feedback and comments left on my journal and the last moderation, and have made some changes to the moderation system.
First, mod points now expire after eight hours. I'm willing to extend this to 12 or 16 hours after I'm sure comments will still reach +5 fairly regularly. With luck, we'll get to the point we can extend mod-points to last a full 24 hours which I suspect will end most of the complaining on them vanishing too soon.
Second, I'd like to open the floor to making a more fundamental change to the moderation system. Specifically, allowing people to post AND moderate in the same discussion. We've seen plenty of posts get up to +5, which means 3-4 people gave up their right to post to keep our comments high quality. This was brought up during our last plea for stories, and I wanted to solicit more feedback before unleashing this upon the site.
I've floated the idea on IRC, and it seems there's a fair bit of support for removing the post/moderate split, though we'd need to make some changes to prevent rampant abuse. Here's what was suggested to keep things sane:
- Mod points won't roll back after a post
- Moderators can post in the same discussion (either before or after moderating), but can not moderate replies to their posts.
I've heard various ideas such as limiting it only after mods have expended their points (this will require implementing a cooldown to prevent a user from getting points again too soon). I want to hear your feedback, and I'll roll together something for the next major update of the site. Leave your comments
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I'm mentally OVERDRAWN! What's that SIGNPOST up ahead? Where's ROD
STERLING when you really need him?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by isostatic on Tuesday April 01 2014, @07:38AM
When there's only 10-15 posts on most stories, they don't need moderation, just show them all.
By all means have moderation on the occasional story with 40+ posts, but by default don't allow moderation of stories with few posts.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by NCommander on Tuesday April 01 2014, @07:58AM
The average comments per day per article swings anywhere from 10 to 40, and I suspect we'll get to the point that moderation will become absolutely mandatory in the future ...
Still always moving
(Score: 4, Insightful) by TheRaven on Tuesday April 01 2014, @08:41AM
Unless you have a few people getting the discussions going, everyone else just comes, sees stories with few comments, and goes away without even reading them. I tried for a couple of weeks to make sure I posted on several stories every day, but without the staff making an effort to make the site a success, it becomes demoralising. I'm now back to spending more time reading Slashdot than Soylent (I intentionally didn't visit it at all for two weeks to give this place a chance). And all I see from the staff is twiddling with algorithms, not addressing the fact that your only major community involvement has been to have a temper tantrum in public (which did generate a lot of comments, but not in a good way).
sudo mod me up
(Score: 2) by NCommander on Tuesday April 01 2014, @09:00AM
The question been asked in a couple of threads, though perhaps a general QA here is needed on the topic. At the moment, we get on average between 300-400 comments per day, dipping into the 200s over the weekend, and then higher towards the end of the week. Based on Slashdot's public views/comments total, we're averaging about 10% of their traffic w.r.t. to comments per day, though our community is *considerably* smaller (just north of 4000 accounts).
I'm not sure its the site itself that makes it problematic to post, but I'll ask the question.
Still always moving
(Score: 2) by mrcoolbp on Tuesday April 01 2014, @04:30PM
Also, staff are quite busy trying to keep the site running and move it forward. I assure you the editors make a great effort to read the site as much as possible.
From my own limited experience as an editor, I like to let the comments play out on their own; I try to fade into the background. Hearing that editors should comment more is an interesting development on my end.
(Score:1^½, Radical)
(Score: 2) by Reziac on Thursday April 03 2014, @02:51AM
The site is still young. Give it a chance to grow as it will. Cripes, at the same age and likewise depending on word of mouth, /. probably had no more than 4000 accounts either.
And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
(Score: 2) by chromas on Tuesday April 01 2014, @09:33AM
Since when is twiddling with algorithms not News for Nerds? And don't discredit tantrums, which are responsible for generating 2,219 comments on a single CyanDot post. SN needs those ad currencyUnits!
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Tuesday April 01 2014, @01:58PM
I'd post more if the Karma Cap was removed :D