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posted by NCommander on Tuesday April 01 2014, @07:00AM   Printer-friendly
from the now-with-longer-half-lifes dept.
*cough*

Ok, I meant to have an open forum about moderation *way* before this point. I did read the various feedback and comments left on my journal and the last moderation, and have made some changes to the moderation system.

First, mod points now expire after eight hours. I'm willing to extend this to 12 or 16 hours after I'm sure comments will still reach +5 fairly regularly. With luck, we'll get to the point we can extend mod-points to last a full 24 hours which I suspect will end most of the complaining on them vanishing too soon.

Second, I'd like to open the floor to making a more fundamental change to the moderation system. Specifically, allowing people to post AND moderate in the same discussion. We've seen plenty of posts get up to +5, which means 3-4 people gave up their right to post to keep our comments high quality. This was brought up during our last plea for stories, and I wanted to solicit more feedback before unleashing this upon the site.

I've floated the idea on IRC, and it seems there's a fair bit of support for removing the post/moderate split, though we'd need to make some changes to prevent rampant abuse. Here's what was suggested to keep things sane:
  • Mod points won't roll back after a post
  • Moderators can post in the same discussion (either before or after moderating), but can not moderate replies to their posts.

I've heard various ideas such as limiting it only after mods have expended their points (this will require implementing a cooldown to prevent a user from getting points again too soon). I want to hear your feedback, and I'll roll together something for the next major update of the site. Leave your comments

 
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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by TheRaven on Tuesday April 01 2014, @08:41AM

    by TheRaven (270) on Tuesday April 01 2014, @08:41AM (#23973) Journal
    Something in the structure of the site seems to be discouraging comments, and that's a far more serious issue. Given that we frequently have more editors than comments on a story, I can only assume that either:
    • Editors are posting stories that they are not interested in (if so, why?)
    • Editors are not actually reading the site (if so, why are they editors?)

    Unless you have a few people getting the discussions going, everyone else just comes, sees stories with few comments, and goes away without even reading them. I tried for a couple of weeks to make sure I posted on several stories every day, but without the staff making an effort to make the site a success, it becomes demoralising. I'm now back to spending more time reading Slashdot than Soylent (I intentionally didn't visit it at all for two weeks to give this place a chance). And all I see from the staff is twiddling with algorithms, not addressing the fact that your only major community involvement has been to have a temper tantrum in public (which did generate a lot of comments, but not in a good way).

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    sudo mod me up
    Starting Score:    1  point
    Moderation   +2  
       Insightful=2, Total=2
    Extra 'Insightful' Modifier   0  
    Karma-Bonus Modifier   +1  

    Total Score:   4  
  • (Score: 2) by NCommander on Tuesday April 01 2014, @09:00AM

    by NCommander (2) Subscriber Badge <michael@casadevall.pro> on Tuesday April 01 2014, @09:00AM (#23986) Homepage Journal

    The question been asked in a couple of threads, though perhaps a general QA here is needed on the topic. At the moment, we get on average between 300-400 comments per day, dipping into the 200s over the weekend, and then higher towards the end of the week. Based on Slashdot's public views/comments total, we're averaging about 10% of their traffic w.r.t. to comments per day, though our community is *considerably* smaller (just north of 4000 accounts).

    I'm not sure its the site itself that makes it problematic to post, but I'll ask the question.

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    Still always moving
    • (Score: 2) by mrcoolbp on Tuesday April 01 2014, @04:30PM

      by mrcoolbp (68) <mrcoolbp@soylentnews.org> on Tuesday April 01 2014, @04:30PM (#24297) Homepage

      Also, staff are quite busy trying to keep the site running and move it forward. I assure you the editors make a great effort to read the site as much as possible.

      From my own limited experience as an editor, I like to let the comments play out on their own; I try to fade into the background. Hearing that editors should comment more is an interesting development on my end.

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      (Score:1^½, Radical)
    • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Thursday April 03 2014, @02:51AM

      by Reziac (2489) on Thursday April 03 2014, @02:51AM (#25308) Homepage

      The site is still young. Give it a chance to grow as it will. Cripes, at the same age and likewise depending on word of mouth, /. probably had no more than 4000 accounts either.

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      And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
  • (Score: 2) by chromas on Tuesday April 01 2014, @09:33AM

    by chromas (34) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday April 01 2014, @09:33AM (#23997) Journal

    Since when is twiddling with algorithms not News for Nerds? And don't discredit tantrums, which are responsible for generating 2,219 comments on a single CyanDot post. SN needs those ad currencyUnits!

  • (Score: 2) by isostatic on Tuesday April 01 2014, @01:58PM

    by isostatic (365) on Tuesday April 01 2014, @01:58PM (#24152) Journal

    I'd post more if the Karma Cap was removed :D