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Ok, I meant to have an open forum about moderation *way* before this point. I did read the various feedback and comments left on my journal and the last moderation, and have made some changes to the moderation system.
First, mod points now expire after eight hours. I'm willing to extend this to 12 or 16 hours after I'm sure comments will still reach +5 fairly regularly. With luck, we'll get to the point we can extend mod-points to last a full 24 hours which I suspect will end most of the complaining on them vanishing too soon.
Second, I'd like to open the floor to making a more fundamental change to the moderation system. Specifically, allowing people to post AND moderate in the same discussion. We've seen plenty of posts get up to +5, which means 3-4 people gave up their right to post to keep our comments high quality. This was brought up during our last plea for stories, and I wanted to solicit more feedback before unleashing this upon the site.
I've floated the idea on IRC, and it seems there's a fair bit of support for removing the post/moderate split, though we'd need to make some changes to prevent rampant abuse. Here's what was suggested to keep things sane:
Ok, I meant to have an open forum about moderation *way* before this point. I did read the various feedback and comments left on my journal and the last moderation, and have made some changes to the moderation system.
First, mod points now expire after eight hours. I'm willing to extend this to 12 or 16 hours after I'm sure comments will still reach +5 fairly regularly. With luck, we'll get to the point we can extend mod-points to last a full 24 hours which I suspect will end most of the complaining on them vanishing too soon.
Second, I'd like to open the floor to making a more fundamental change to the moderation system. Specifically, allowing people to post AND moderate in the same discussion. We've seen plenty of posts get up to +5, which means 3-4 people gave up their right to post to keep our comments high quality. This was brought up during our last plea for stories, and I wanted to solicit more feedback before unleashing this upon the site.
I've floated the idea on IRC, and it seems there's a fair bit of support for removing the post/moderate split, though we'd need to make some changes to prevent rampant abuse. Here's what was suggested to keep things sane:
- Mod points won't roll back after a post
- Moderators can post in the same discussion (either before or after moderating), but can not moderate replies to their posts.
I've heard various ideas such as limiting it only after mods have expended their points (this will require implementing a cooldown to prevent a user from getting points again too soon). I want to hear your feedback, and I'll roll together something for the next major update of the site. Leave your comments
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(Score: 3, Interesting) by RobotMonster on Tuesday April 01 2014, @08:45AM
I've been at the 50 cap for awhile, which has been making me wish the cap was higher so I had a score to "game".
Perhaps some kind of exponential system would be cool -- when you're at 50-100, it takes 10 up-mods to go up by 1 Karma, but still only 1 down-mod to go down by 1. When you're over 100, it takes 100 up-mods to go up by 1, and still only 1 down-mod to go down by 1?
Thinking it through, it's probably a bad plan, but might inspire somebody else with a better idea?
Perhaps a separate score which is the ratio of up-mods to down-mods, just for display/vanity?
(Score: 2) by NCommander on Tuesday April 01 2014, @08:54AM
Slash saves every moderation in a log (editors can see this log; its designed to allow us to prevent moderation abuses), so generating a "spread" so to speak is possible. I'm liking the idea of gamifying karma, that you have to level up, and at specific levels, you get various perks on the site (as to what that may be, I'm unsure).
Still always moving
(Score: 2) by RobotMonster on Tuesday April 01 2014, @10:06AM
Yeah, gamifying karma is definitely where my head was at. I don't know that you need perks as such -- badges and other useless honourifics, along with some stats would satisfy me.
In the interests of encouraging more comments & lively discussion, perhaps a user can earn "points" (not necessarily Karma) based on how many replies each of their comments receives, either just first-level replies, or the entire sub-tree if feasible. -- i.e. a reward for encouraging more comments to be posted.
Similarly for story submissions, you could get points related to how many posts were generated by your stories.
(Score: 2) by NCommander on Tuesday April 01 2014, @10:38AM
We have the Achievements system which works (though the HTML for it was missing; re-adding that won't be hard), though I always found it to be kinda stupid. I *like* video game achievements, but I'm not sure how you could have actual achievements on this site and not be stupid or repetitive (like being upmodded 1000/5000/10000 times). I may open the floor to this once I get this discussion summarized.
Still always moving
(Score: 2) by cmn32480 on Tuesday April 01 2014, @02:42PM
This type of achievement is how a lot of systems work. My Fitbit (hi-tech pedometer) is the one that comes to mind most readily.
It is kinda like lifetime achievement badges. On my Fitbit, it tracks for lifetime numbers of steps, lifetime staircases climbed, most steps in a particular day, and a few other things. Getting badge is a small ego boost and encourages continued participation.
I know the achievements system exists, but I don't know a whole lot about it. My $0.02 is a small thing like lifetime tracking is a nice little ego boost, and if we can be given the option to make it public or not, so much the better. As long as the achievements are achievable for the common Soyler (so as not to discourage those of us who lurk and occasionally post), it might be worth looking at.
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(Score: 2) by Open4D on Tuesday April 01 2014, @10:26AM
I'd like the ability to view more than just the last 24 of mine & other people's comments.
Currently I go to something like http://soylentnews.org/~NCommander/ [soylentnews.org] and see "NCommander's Latest 24 of 146 Comments", with no apparent way of getting the remaining 122 comments.
I'm not missing anything am I? Shall I submit it as a feature request? For the time being it could be just for users with Karma > 42 or something
And maybe there are other operations that take up more than their fair share of computing resources that could be made into perks.
(Score: 2) by NCommander on Tuesday April 01 2014, @10:39AM
I believe this is a side effect of the fact that we don't have the subscription module installed, combined with Sphinx still being broken (two staff have fought with it, and yet to get it to work). I'll put this on the bug tracker, though I'm concerned it might do horrid things to the DB ...
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(Score: 2) by Reziac on Thursday April 03 2014, @02:47AM
I too would love to see "older comments" when I check someone out. I've already run up against the current inability a couple times. :(
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