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Ok, I meant to have an open forum about moderation *way* before this point. I did read the various feedback and comments left on my journal and the last moderation, and have made some changes to the moderation system.
First, mod points now expire after eight hours. I'm willing to extend this to 12 or 16 hours after I'm sure comments will still reach +5 fairly regularly. With luck, we'll get to the point we can extend mod-points to last a full 24 hours which I suspect will end most of the complaining on them vanishing too soon.
Second, I'd like to open the floor to making a more fundamental change to the moderation system. Specifically, allowing people to post AND moderate in the same discussion. We've seen plenty of posts get up to +5, which means 3-4 people gave up their right to post to keep our comments high quality. This was brought up during our last plea for stories, and I wanted to solicit more feedback before unleashing this upon the site.
I've floated the idea on IRC, and it seems there's a fair bit of support for removing the post/moderate split, though we'd need to make some changes to prevent rampant abuse. Here's what was suggested to keep things sane:
Ok, I meant to have an open forum about moderation *way* before this point. I did read the various feedback and comments left on my journal and the last moderation, and have made some changes to the moderation system.
First, mod points now expire after eight hours. I'm willing to extend this to 12 or 16 hours after I'm sure comments will still reach +5 fairly regularly. With luck, we'll get to the point we can extend mod-points to last a full 24 hours which I suspect will end most of the complaining on them vanishing too soon.
Second, I'd like to open the floor to making a more fundamental change to the moderation system. Specifically, allowing people to post AND moderate in the same discussion. We've seen plenty of posts get up to +5, which means 3-4 people gave up their right to post to keep our comments high quality. This was brought up during our last plea for stories, and I wanted to solicit more feedback before unleashing this upon the site.
I've floated the idea on IRC, and it seems there's a fair bit of support for removing the post/moderate split, though we'd need to make some changes to prevent rampant abuse. Here's what was suggested to keep things sane:
- Mod points won't roll back after a post
- Moderators can post in the same discussion (either before or after moderating), but can not moderate replies to their posts.
I've heard various ideas such as limiting it only after mods have expended their points (this will require implementing a cooldown to prevent a user from getting points again too soon). I want to hear your feedback, and I'll roll together something for the next major update of the site. Leave your comments
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(Score: 2) by MrGuy on Tuesday April 01 2014, @12:10PM
Thanks for the clarification.
I still think 8 hours are too little, unless we have a really good reason to make them expire that quickly.
My use case may or may not be typical, but I typically check SN in the morning before I go to work, read a few stories, then go to work. After work, I have time to check in again (and maybe read/moderate stories that I only glanced at earlier or that are new). I've more than once been awarded mod points in the AM, then when I went back in the afternoon with time to use them have found they've already expired.
I'd really like to see ~16 hours, personally. YMMV.
(Score: 2) by NCommander on Tuesday April 01 2014, @01:09PM
When the site first launched, the value was set at 24 hours. The problem was that we got stuck with people hoarding points, and the new algo needs points going in/out (it tries to maintain X points at all times, so its dependent on rapid expiration, or people using points). Dropping it down to 4 was an emergency fix until I could get around to revising the mod algo.
Unfortunately, when I wrote it, I had no hard numbers to work again, and its working on some faulty assumptions. I keep putting rewrite on the list, but its not SUPER high priority.
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