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Ok, I meant to have an open forum about moderation *way* before this point. I did read the various feedback and comments left on my journal and the last moderation, and have made some changes to the moderation system.
First, mod points now expire after eight hours. I'm willing to extend this to 12 or 16 hours after I'm sure comments will still reach +5 fairly regularly. With luck, we'll get to the point we can extend mod-points to last a full 24 hours which I suspect will end most of the complaining on them vanishing too soon.
Second, I'd like to open the floor to making a more fundamental change to the moderation system. Specifically, allowing people to post AND moderate in the same discussion. We've seen plenty of posts get up to +5, which means 3-4 people gave up their right to post to keep our comments high quality. This was brought up during our last plea for stories, and I wanted to solicit more feedback before unleashing this upon the site.
I've floated the idea on IRC, and it seems there's a fair bit of support for removing the post/moderate split, though we'd need to make some changes to prevent rampant abuse. Here's what was suggested to keep things sane:
Ok, I meant to have an open forum about moderation *way* before this point. I did read the various feedback and comments left on my journal and the last moderation, and have made some changes to the moderation system.
First, mod points now expire after eight hours. I'm willing to extend this to 12 or 16 hours after I'm sure comments will still reach +5 fairly regularly. With luck, we'll get to the point we can extend mod-points to last a full 24 hours which I suspect will end most of the complaining on them vanishing too soon.
Second, I'd like to open the floor to making a more fundamental change to the moderation system. Specifically, allowing people to post AND moderate in the same discussion. We've seen plenty of posts get up to +5, which means 3-4 people gave up their right to post to keep our comments high quality. This was brought up during our last plea for stories, and I wanted to solicit more feedback before unleashing this upon the site.
I've floated the idea on IRC, and it seems there's a fair bit of support for removing the post/moderate split, though we'd need to make some changes to prevent rampant abuse. Here's what was suggested to keep things sane:
- Mod points won't roll back after a post
- Moderators can post in the same discussion (either before or after moderating), but can not moderate replies to their posts.
I've heard various ideas such as limiting it only after mods have expended their points (this will require implementing a cooldown to prevent a user from getting points again too soon). I want to hear your feedback, and I'll roll together something for the next major update of the site. Leave your comments
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(Score: 2) by NCommander on Tuesday April 01 2014, @02:12PM
The problem here is moderation had some fundamentally broken aspects to it, which is why the mod point algo had a rewrite before we went live. I wrote a small novel going into detail why the old algo was broken and we scrapped it. The four hour limit was an emergency change. The algo I wrote has some off assumptions which I'm going to fix for v2, but moderate^post was brought up several times in previous stories, so I wanted to open the floor to getting feedback on improvement as someone who moderates will feel a pressure NOT to post as to not undo moderations (I've seen rare posts on the other site that they posted undoing mods because they felt strongly on it)
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(Score: 1) by RaffArundel on Tuesday April 01 2014, @08:44PM
I'm sure that is appreciated since many of us are expats because the lack of concern for the feedback on that other site. It looks like this has more than the normal number of comments, by a wide margin, so you got it.
Let 'em post AC! Gawds forbid they can't swing around that low UID to make whatever point they felt they needed to both mod and support/attack!
Seriously, I don't particularly care since I'm not a heavy poster nor feel strongly about modding - my points came and went without anything standing out during that time to use them on. If I were food in the fridge, I'd let people mod everything except their own post. I'd also give anyone with positive karma mod points often, that don't expire rapidly. I wouldn't add limitations until there was a compelling reason to do so. It would be interesting to see what the community does, especially while still small.