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Ok, I meant to have an open forum about moderation *way* before this point. I did read the various feedback and comments left on my journal and the last moderation, and have made some changes to the moderation system.
First, mod points now expire after eight hours. I'm willing to extend this to 12 or 16 hours after I'm sure comments will still reach +5 fairly regularly. With luck, we'll get to the point we can extend mod-points to last a full 24 hours which I suspect will end most of the complaining on them vanishing too soon.
Second, I'd like to open the floor to making a more fundamental change to the moderation system. Specifically, allowing people to post AND moderate in the same discussion. We've seen plenty of posts get up to +5, which means 3-4 people gave up their right to post to keep our comments high quality. This was brought up during our last plea for stories, and I wanted to solicit more feedback before unleashing this upon the site.
I've floated the idea on IRC, and it seems there's a fair bit of support for removing the post/moderate split, though we'd need to make some changes to prevent rampant abuse. Here's what was suggested to keep things sane:
Ok, I meant to have an open forum about moderation *way* before this point. I did read the various feedback and comments left on my journal and the last moderation, and have made some changes to the moderation system.
First, mod points now expire after eight hours. I'm willing to extend this to 12 or 16 hours after I'm sure comments will still reach +5 fairly regularly. With luck, we'll get to the point we can extend mod-points to last a full 24 hours which I suspect will end most of the complaining on them vanishing too soon.
Second, I'd like to open the floor to making a more fundamental change to the moderation system. Specifically, allowing people to post AND moderate in the same discussion. We've seen plenty of posts get up to +5, which means 3-4 people gave up their right to post to keep our comments high quality. This was brought up during our last plea for stories, and I wanted to solicit more feedback before unleashing this upon the site.
I've floated the idea on IRC, and it seems there's a fair bit of support for removing the post/moderate split, though we'd need to make some changes to prevent rampant abuse. Here's what was suggested to keep things sane:
- Mod points won't roll back after a post
- Moderators can post in the same discussion (either before or after moderating), but can not moderate replies to their posts.
I've heard various ideas such as limiting it only after mods have expended their points (this will require implementing a cooldown to prevent a user from getting points again too soon). I want to hear your feedback, and I'll roll together something for the next major update of the site. Leave your comments
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(Score: 1) by kbahey on Tuesday April 01 2014, @04:40PM
Last week, I changed my settings to opt out of moderation ...
That is because of the large number of points (10) I get in a very narrow time frame (4 hours), each and every day. This works for people who only browse this site and don't work, browse other sites, eat, ...etc.
So, even though the 8 hours is better than 4, it is still not enough. Perhaps 24 hours is right, or even we need a bit more.
As for commenting and moderating, I think it is worth a shot for a little while, as long as the pool of regular visitors is fairly small. Once the site grows more, it will be a recipe for abuse (post and moderate your own posts, or moderate posts that support your own viewpoint).
Maybe you need to forbid people from moderating their own comments for a start to prevent the obvious.
Also, if we remain with commenting and moderating being mutually exclusive, it would be very helpful to have an indicator that you commented or moderated in an article so that you decide whether to follow up with the other.
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(Score: 2) by Open4D on Wednesday April 02 2014, @10:35AM
Why not opt back in, and just use the points if & when you can? I don't think anything bad happens if your mod points expire. The electrons are recycled :)
Though as I've said before [soylentnews.org] I do think there is a psychological issue here, and I'm starting to wonder whether it might be insurmountable.