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posted by NCommander on Tuesday April 01 2014, @07:00AM   Printer-friendly
from the now-with-longer-half-lifes dept.

Ok, I meant to have an open forum about moderation *way* before this point. I did read the various feedback and comments left on my journal and the last moderation, and have made some changes to the moderation system.

First, mod points now expire after eight hours. I'm willing to extend this to 12 or 16 hours after I'm sure comments will still reach +5 fairly regularly. With luck, we'll get to the point we can extend mod-points to last a full 24 hours which I suspect will end most of the complaining on them vanishing too soon.

Second, I'd like to open the floor to making a more fundamental change to the moderation system. Specifically, allowing people to post AND moderate in the same discussion. We've seen plenty of posts get up to +5, which means 3-4 people gave up their right to post to keep our comments high quality. This was brought up during our last plea for stories, and I wanted to solicit more feedback before unleashing this upon the site.

I've floated the idea on IRC, and it seems there's a fair bit of support for removing the post/moderate split, though we'd need to make some changes to prevent rampant abuse. Here's what was suggested to keep things sane:
  • Mod points won't roll back after a post
  • Moderators can post in the same discussion (either before or after moderating), but can not moderate replies to their posts.

I've heard various ideas such as limiting it only after mods have expended their points (this will require implementing a cooldown to prevent a user from getting points again too soon). I want to hear your feedback, and I'll roll together something for the next major update of the site. Leave your comments

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  • (Score: 1) by Adrian Harvey on Tuesday April 01 2014, @05:53PM

    by Adrian Harvey (222) on Tuesday April 01 2014, @05:53PM (#24361)

    There's a lot of debate about other issues in here, but I'd like to put the other case - to keep the seperation.

    I still think that the seperation of moderation and debate powers provides a useful control against abuse and manipulation of the discussion. It stops the down voting of dissenting opinions in other threads whilst posting yours. I would be sorry to see it go.

    While we're a smaller site I think people just have to get used to having smaller scores on posts. There's no reason why a good post *has* to have a score of 5. It's ok for it to have any score that gets it over my viewing threshold, and with fewer comments here I have my threshold set lower than on /.

  • (Score: 1) by starcraftsicko on Tuesday April 01 2014, @09:28PM

    by starcraftsicko (2821) on Tuesday April 01 2014, @09:28PM (#24469) Journal

    +1 - Why don't I have mod points?

    Consider keeping posting and moderation separate. There is a reason why +1 agree/interesting and -1 disagree/troll should not be available to discussion participants. Ultimately, even with meta-moderation, moderation by participants will discourage differing points of view.

    If we just can't keep our hands off the moderation system and want participants to moderate, consider establishing a threshold based on prior moderation - participating moderators cannot moderate anything that has a score of 2 or higher. High karma users could avoid participant-moderation altogether. Having extra moderation for undiscovered posts could outweigh the negatives of having moderators participate.

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