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on Thursday October 08 2015, @06:44PM
from the known-unknowns-of-collateral-damage dept.
from the known-unknowns-of-collateral-damage dept.
A Médecins sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) hospital was bombed by the US. Result, 12 dead staff members and 10 dead patients. The coordinates of the hospital had been communicated to the US forces before to avoid mistakes. The US admits the attack was a decision. MSF is now seeking an independent inquiry.
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Afghan Hospital Bombing: MSF Demands Investigation Under Geneva Conventions
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(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2015, @12:13AM
Problem:
Bleeding heart leftists are aiding and abetting the enemy.
Solution:
Send a guerrilla unit to deliver small arms fire from their location (or merely claim this is the case).
Outcome:
Dead bleeding heard leftists send a clear message to others. Also, next time don't openly oppose our international trade treaties.
My thoughts:
If you can't accept the risk, then don't put yourself in harms way. There are plenty of destitute and dying in the civilized world that need your help more than enemy combatants do, traitors.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by aristarchus on Friday October 09 2015, @01:20AM
Traitors? I am constantly amazed at two things: the stupidity of the right, and their willingness to openly display the same.
Bleeding heart leftists are aiding and abetting the enemy.
You mean "doctors", yes? People with expertise, skill and training (we call that "education") who have taken an oath to succour humanity without regard to borders, and all you can see is the black and white at the level of a Bush. Hmm.
So answer me this:
What is the actual purpose of the House Special Committee on Benghazi?
Where there ever any WMDs in Iraq?
Was this an intentional attack on a protected entity in blatant violation of the Laws of Armed Conflict?
Did you order the Code Red??
Yes, traitors. But when you military starts doing stuff like this, because of bleeding hearts, you have to wonder who really is being betrayed. And who is making the treason public and explicit. Thank you for your thoughts.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2015, @03:24AM
Traitors? I am constantly amazed at two things: the stupidity of the right, and their willingness to openly display the same.
You assume I'm a right wing zealot. You're wrong. I'm independent. A tool using creature. I vote for those who advance things that benefit me and mine, in accordance with the grand evolutionary plan that has dictated our existence since before sentience came along and screwed the pooch.
You mean "doctors", yes? People with expertise, skill and training (we call that "education") who have taken an oath to succour humanity without regard to borders, and all you can see is the black and white at the level of a Bush. Hmm.
No, I don't see black and white. I see the nuance which you chose to ignore: Idiots who play at politics while also pretending to be apolitical medics.
The fact of the matter is: Those who aid and abet the enemy are traitors or enemies. One may wish to grant them some form of protection for humanitarian reasons, but then you must also realize that the city was falling to the enemy. They thus serve to benefit mostly the enemies. The cold hard fact is that they also entered the political arena, and this makes them fair game regardless of your myopic and sophomoric view of politics. When you oppose a force politically, and you enter into the theater of war, you have only yourself to blame if you find yourself under physical attack. Of course the bleeding heart liberal will have you believe otherwise, for they have a far more black and white view of "good" and "evil" yet project such upon others.
What is _blah blah blah_ begging for justification for warmongering. etc. nonsensical rubbish.
The realities of politics don't fit your binary view. If you ask theses questions it means the complexities of global maneuvers escape you. Let's not mince words. The left is every bit as warmongering as the right, fool. It's an economic warfare game we play. The petro-dollar must be upheld lest the US economy fail. Hey, I don't like the truth anymore than the next fucker but at least I'm not an ignorant tool pretending that things are so simple minded as "humanitarian == good".
Yes, traitors. But when you military starts doing stuff like this, because of bleeding hearts, you have to wonder who really is being betrayed
The game is far more complex than you think. It's a globalist game we play. The ultimate end result is to create an elite innovator class and a dumbed down and compliant worker class. I happen to be in the former, and urge others to join in if they're capable. The losers will continue to lose. Them's the breaks kids. Like it or not, I'm not being betrayed even when my government does shit to me I don't like (and I assure you I've been through a fuck load more than you ignorant tools even realize exists). Ultimately, there are hard truths about the world that extreme liberals refuse to face. At least the right has some degree of selfishness -- without which humanity would not exist. I deem any who call this trait a vice rather than virtue a fool.
Subterfuge, calculated risk, and political pandering (the latter of which you're doing) are all part of the game. You idealists pretend the game doesn't exist and whine about reality like simpletons. Level up before you're dealt with.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2015, @03:28AM
You assume I'm a right wing zealot. You're wrong. I'm independent.
No, he's right, and you just proved it.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2015, @03:35AM
You've obviously never heard of the Geneva Conventions. [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2015, @05:02AM
The cold hard fact is that they also entered the political arena, and this makes them fair game regardless of your myopic and sophomoric view of politics.
TARGET ACQUIRED:::
Anonymous Coward, SoylentNews
IP Addr: XXX.XXX.XXX.XXX
Geospatial Coordinates: XXEXXX'XX.XX
Missle Armed. Proceed?
Commander: WTF, this GPS reading puts this target in the middle of a hospital! A mental hospital, but still a protected hospital.
Corporal: You're correct sir, but he did say that anyone who enters the political arena is a legitimate target, so let us not be myopic or morans here.
Commander: Perhaps, but still, isn't a a violation of the Geneva convention, the Hague conventions, and the gentleman's agreement going back forever?
Corporal: No, sir. 9-11 changed everything, and now the fact that he thinks that he can attack our wounded means we can attack him, even though he is mentally wounded and no actual threat to our Glorious Jihad and whatnot.
Commander: Alright, Corporal. Fire.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2015, @10:34AM
Those only count for what the hospital was doing with a written agreement. It is right there in the conventions. The hospital even admits that they merely told the US armed forces instead of getting a written agreement.
It doesn't matter anyway. People on the ground said they were taking fire from the building. Once one bullet was sent it was no longer a civilian area. A medic that fires back is a valid military target according to the Geneva Conventions. Always has been that way.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2015, @12:32PM
Yes, when a single medic fires back that one medic loses their GC protections, but a single person firing from a hospital does not make the entire fucking hospital a valid target, only the people who were firing are valid targets. "Somebody shot at us from that hospital!" does not allow you to destroy the entire fucking hospital; raid it looking for the individual, sure, but killing everyone in there - doctors, patients (no matter which "side"), and all - is still a war crime.