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on Thursday October 08 2015, @06:44PM
from the known-unknowns-of-collateral-damage dept.
from the known-unknowns-of-collateral-damage dept.
A Médecins sans Frontières (Doctors Without Borders) hospital was bombed by the US. Result, 12 dead staff members and 10 dead patients. The coordinates of the hospital had been communicated to the US forces before to avoid mistakes. The US admits the attack was a decision. MSF is now seeking an independent inquiry.
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Afghan Hospital Bombing: MSF Demands Investigation Under Geneva Conventions
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(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 09 2015, @12:19AM
That video is bullshit - and worse, people who accept the title are unqualified to judge what they've seen in the video.
I've reserved judgement on the hospital bombing, because I've not seen enough evidence to sort it out. It looks bad. I am hoping that my government did not intentionally bomb a hospital, but I just haven't decided yet.
I have viewed that video, and I am qualified to state that there is no war crime documented in that video. Those reporters were embedded in an enemy unit. Except for the reporter and his driver, all those men were armed. The chopper crew believed the reporter was an armed combatant. Unfortunately, the camera had a vague resemblance to a rocket launcher.
People who believe that video to be evidence of a war crime are foolishly accepting an agenda.
Since the first reporter went out in the field with a combat unit, it has been accepted by one and all that the reporter lives in danger. There was nothing different with these two Reuters reporters. They knew the risks, and they accepted those risks.
The title should have been "Embedded reporters killed along with combatant unit during attack on allied forces."
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday October 09 2015, @01:08AM
I have viewed that video, and I am qualified to state that there is no war crime documented in that video
Kinda makes you complicit in the cover-up then, doesn't it?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 09 2015, @01:30AM
So, you've swallowed that bit of propaganda, hook, line, and sinker.
The cover up that should be addressed, is "Why in the hell were we in Iraq to start with?" But, that's a political issue, rather than military.
Of all the exposes of crap that happened in Iraq, Abu Ghraib is the one that floored me. That was totally unjustified. This "Collateral Murder" is bullshit. Need a parallel? Well - lots of people are looking at images from the moon, from Mars, and from other places in space. Clueless people "see" all kinds of strange crap. Rats, Martians, you name it. Unqualified people looking at stuff they don't understand imagine that they see something. This video is pretty much the same thing.
I posted something of a walk through of the video in a previous discussion. I should just find it, and copy/paste it here, but I'm running short on time.
Bottom line: if a group of people shoots at a group of soldiers, they can expect some kind of retaliation. The soldiers on the ground pulled back from the people in the video, and called in a helicopter. The helicopter destroyed the unit that had fired at our soldiers. It is hardly newsworthy. But, most of you who have accepted the propaganda have a hard time understanding that it was an insurgent unit, and that they had been shooting at soldiers only minutes before the video was recorded.
Complicit? If defending your own unit from a hostile militant unit is a crime, then yes, I'm complicit.
Tell me - did you listen carefully to the audio in the video? Try that, and if you need help understanding the terms, if you need help understanding what all the chatter means, then post back. If you make an obvious effort, I'll try to help. On the other hand, if you make no effort, that is an admission that you don't care about qualifications.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday October 09 2015, @02:05AM
You know who else is qualified to state that there is some war crime documented in that video? Chelsea Manning!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 09 2015, @02:21AM
Uhhhh - no. BRADLEY Manning was third echelon support. He didn't carry a weapon out on operations. I'm sure you know my opinion of Manning - subhuman twit. Should have been stood up in front of a wall, without benefit of a blindfold.
Had Manning exposed Abu Ghraib, I might have something good to say about him. Maybe.
Besides which - Manning didn't edit that video. He gave the video to Wikileaks, and Assange edited that video, and added commentary.
I respect Assange and Wikileaks, but I 100% disagree with what he did to that video. Journalists are supposed to report the news, not make the news. Journalists aren't supposed to create propaganda with the news. While Assange has remained mostly true to who he is, and what he is, he did cross a line with that particular video. His actions in that instance detract from the respect that he deserved.
You will never make any points by citing Manning. Better to cite Adolph Hitler, at least he was an intelligent man before he went batfuck crazy.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday October 09 2015, @02:45AM
You know who else is qualified to state that there is no war crime documented in that video? Chelsea Hitler!
(Keep going, Runaway! You're on a roll! You may be gaining valuable points! Or you are already crazy in some way that involves die Fledermaus.)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday October 09 2015, @09:40AM
If you want to convince people that there is no war crime, you need to avoid showing that you're really a right wing Christian hating everyone who is not an old testament bible thumper.
When you can't keep things separate, you might as well argue that no war crime happened because Muslims or LGBT people aren't real people.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday October 09 2015, @01:55PM
Well - anonymous cowards aren't real people, so we can torture you all we want.
Hail to the Nibbler in Chief.