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Police are attending a shooting in California, with reports of 20 victims, say officials.
Fire officials in San Bernardino said it was responding to a "20 victim shooting incident" and it was working to clear the scene.
ABC News reports that there are 12 people dead but police have not confirmed that number.
It is still a "very active scene" and police are trying to secure the building, said a police spokeswoman.
There may be up to three gunmen, she said, and they were heavily armed and possibly wearing body armour.
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(Score: 2) by K_benzoate on Thursday December 03 2015, @12:47AM
The "good guy with a gun" never seems to appear, and on the rare occasion one is around they tend to make things worse, accidentally kill innocent bystanders, or react with fear and panic just like most everyone else. I'm a gun owner myself (I don't carry them around concealed or otherwise) but this is just delusional thinking from wannabe action movie stars and psychopaths who are just itching for the chance to legally kill someone.
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(Score: 0, Troll) by frojack on Thursday December 03 2015, @01:14AM
and on the rare occasion one is around they tend to make things worse,
Bullshit. Cite statistics, or stop spreading defeatist fud.
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(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 03 2015, @01:26AM
Armed citizens rarely appear because the attackers avoid places where people can lawfully carry firearms.
You're better off with an armed citizen on-site than a cop showing up:
http://uhaweb.hartford.edu/kdowst/competen.html [hartford.edu]
"In this study, civilians were successful in wounding, driving off, capturing criminals 83% of the time, compared with a 68% success rate for the police."
"The odds of a defensive gun user accidentally killing an innocent person are less than 1 in 26,000."
http://actionamerica.org/guns/guns1.shtml [actionamerica.org]
"According to a study by Newsweek magazine, only 2% of civilian shootings involve an innocent person being shot (not killed). The error rate for police is 11%. What this means is that you are more than 5 times more likely to be accidentally shot by a policeman than by an armed citizen. But, when you consider that citizens shoot and kill at least twice as many criminals as do police every year, it means that, per capita, you are more than 11 times more likely to be accidentally shot by a policeman than by an armed citizen."
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday December 03 2015, @01:45AM
> According to a study by Newsweek magazine,
Too bad the guy can't be arsed to actually provide a link to the study. All he does is link to the newsweek website's home page. If he were serious he'd have sources to back up his claims rather than make the critical thinkers work to prove him right. Frankly, if he can't be arsed to show his work, I can't be arsed to trust him.
(Score: 2) by Zinho on Thursday December 03 2015, @03:18PM
I gave you a touche point, but I wish I could take it back. Yeah, there was one lazy attribution to Newsweek (accompanied by the relevant issue date in plain text), but most of the assertions are taken from Kleck and Gertz, as published in the Northwestern University School of Law, Journal of Criminal Law and Criminology, vol. 86, issue 1, 1995, article titled Armed Resistance to Crime: The Prevalence and Nature of Self-Defense with a Gun [guncite.com].
Cut them some slack on the attribution, please.
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(Score: 4, Informative) by Thexalon on Thursday December 03 2015, @04:36AM
That's a big part of why training seems to be inversely related to how often a good guy with a gun fires their weapon. For example, a Marine with a pistol was at the Gabrielle Giffords shooting, and never even drew his weapon because he understood the risks of firing into the crowd. Whereas a wannabe vigilante shot up a parking lot trying to hit a shoplifter just a couple of weeks ago.
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