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posted by mrcoolbp on Wednesday April 09 2014, @07:57PM   Printer-friendly
from the I-thought-the-name-was-bacconmuffinnews dept.

After several early attempts, we have settled on a process for deciding on the final name for this site currently known as SoylentNews.org. You'll need to log in and go to: userprefs/homepage and check the box marked "Willing to Vote" if you'd like to participate (do this now, the submission round will go out soon). The vote will occur using an email-based solution loosely based on the Debian/Condercet method that we cooked up. Note: checking this box will indicate that we are scraping your email address from the database for participation (this is completely opt-in). If you wish not to participate, just make sure this box is unchecked (this is the default).

We are opening the floor to name suggestions. If you have suggested a name earlier, you'll need to re-submit it through this email voting system. Though we prefer available domains, if you have pre-purchased a domain (eg: to prevent squatters), by submitting the name you are stating that you are the owner of the domain(s) and will give it without strings attached to this project if it were to be chosen.

The criteria for an acceptable name:

  • Unique and free of obvious trademarks
  • Ideally be a bit technological/geeky and signal the site is "news"
  • Domain should be available in all permutations: .com/.net/.org
  • Easy to pronounce
  • Easy to type
  • Easy to 'market' or has a "hook" (imagine a mug with the name, a logo, slogans, plays on words, etc.)
  • Passes the girlfriend / wife / significant other / random person at work - test

This is how it will work:

  1. The first round will go out asking for name submissions
  2. Submissions will remain open for 7 days
  3. The community will vote to yield 5 names
  4. Staff will vote and produce 5 names
  5. A final vote on all 10 names will be held
  6. At this point, the staff will have a second full vote on the same ten items the community voted on
  7. The result of this vote, and the community vote, including its runoff, will then be published
  8. The staff vote is the final decision. We have to live with this. But the community will have a powerful influence on the final staff vote.

If you're interested:

NCommander adds: So its finally here, and I wanted to apologize for the long delay before this actually happened. To the editoral team, please bump this to the top of the index for the next 24 hours so everyone gets a chance to see it (click 'fastforward' then save to autoupdate the timestamp). I promise a Featured Story option is coming in the next major update so we don't have to deal with this!

 
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  • (Score: 2) by AudioGuy on Monday June 02 2014, @06:11PM

    by AudioGuy (24) on Monday June 02 2014, @06:11PM (#50339) Journal

    I will post these as comments to this one, one phase at a time. The Community Votes and the Staff Votes will both be posted, in the order they occurred (there is some overlap though).

    Starting Score:    1  point
    Karma-Bonus Modifier   +1  

    Total Score:   2  
  • (Score: 2) by AudioGuy on Monday June 02 2014, @06:36PM

    by AudioGuy (24) on Monday June 02 2014, @06:36PM (#50352) Journal

    People were asked to register for the vote by setting a flag in their user preferences. 507 did so.

    In addition, more people were added by hand over the course of the various phases, those totaled 30 by the last vote.

    The original email requesting submisssions went out seeded with one choice:

    [] soylentnews.com

    45 people that were registered sent suggestions email back, plus a few more were added from people added who were not registered, by staff. Three people missed the cutof time for that phase. (voting emails had already gone out).

    The final list of submissions we got was this:

    [](1) absorbingnews.com
    [](2) achetee.com
    [](3) alphadot.com
    [](4) altdiscuss.com
    [](5) apt-get-news.com
    [](6) baconnews.com
    [](7) bangdot.org
    [](8) bayesianews.com
    [](9) beardrhetoric.com
    [](10) boardkey.com
    [](11) chattrnews.com
    [](12) crosslog.com
    [](13) dailybacon.net
    [](14) deltachroma.com
    [](15) devnull.com
    [](16) dotbang.org
    [](17) dotsalt.org
    [](18) dupenews.com
    [](19) eigentime.com
    [](20) epsilonnexus.com
    [](21) fetanews.com
    [](22) firingsquid.com
    [](23) forkbeta.com
    [](24) forkdot.org
    [](25) freedefy.com
    [](26) freedivide.com
    [](27) fuckbeta.com
    [](28) futurians.com
    [](29) gammavortex.com
    [](30) geekcard.com
    [](31) gitgot.com
    [](32) grepcutnews.com
    [](33) grepnews.com
    [](34) hashsalt.org
    [](35) hecknews.com
    [](36) ionews.com
    [](37) iorevolution.net
    [](38) iotanexus.com
    [](39) itarium.com
    [](40) legitworksite.com
    [](41) li694-22.com
    [](42) linevertex.com
    [](43) lostdash.com
    [](44) lowlevelnews.com
    [](45) ls-lnews.com
    [](46) makemesmart.com
    [](47) minddivide.com
    [](48) nerdcard.net
    [](49) nerdcraft.com
    [](50) nerddiscourse.com
    [](51) nerdgloss.com
    [](52) nerdnewsnet.com
    [](53) nerdpost.com
    [](54) newschattr.com
    [](55) newsconfig.com
    [](56) newsdotorg.org
    [](57) newsgrep.com
    [](58) newsignal.com
    [](59) newsisyou.com
    [](60) newslash.org
    [](61) newsping.com
    [](62) newstat.com
    [](63) newuucp.com
    [](64) nntpping.com
    [](65) noncorpnews.com
    [](66) noncorporate.com
    [](67) nunexus.com
    [](68) omnidiscuss.com
    [](69) pipebeard.com
    [](70) port119.net
    [](71) primedelta.com
    [](72) pulsedot.net
    [](73) reslashed.com
    [](74) salientnews.net
    [](75) salientnoise.com
    [](76) saltdot.org
    [](77) salthash.com
    [](78) shpxurnq.com
    [](79) sigmanexus.com
    [](80) sigmavortex.com
    [](81) silentmews.com
    [](82) soylentnews.com
    [](83) squintfeed.com
    [](84) stealthnews.com
    [](85) sudonews.com
    [](86) techmatter.com
    [](87) thegarlic.com
    [](88) uuengeek.com
    [](89) yottatalk.com
    [](90) yottatech.com

  • (Score: 2) by AudioGuy on Monday June 02 2014, @08:44PM

    by AudioGuy (24) on Monday June 02 2014, @08:44PM (#50398) Journal

    The list (above) of proposed names was sent out to all registered voters and the late additions.

    Voted in the Scoring round: 241 + 10 = 251 (241 registered plus ten of the late additions)
    Emails that had to be hand decoded: 1 (non-standard quoted-printable encoding)
    Emails that had to be hand counted (people added later): 10

    People voting more than once:
            Second vote unchanged at all : 2
    (no change to vote, probably forgot they had voted)
            Order alone : 5
    (Order change suggests they misunderstood directions)
            Order plus other changes : 3
    (indeterminate due to changes in what was voted for)
                                                                                                                    --
    Total: 10

    Raw Results with point totals shown:

    TOTAL NAME
    (total pts)

    (0)
    1228 soylentnews.com
    789 devnull.com
    379 sudonews.com
    346 grepnews.com
    208 apt-get-news.com
    (2950) (points used for first 5)

    - top 5 above (this could change if some are unavailable) -

    204 newsgrep.com
    198 port119.net
    198 geekcard.com
    188 dailybacon.net
    174 forkdot.org
    164 techmatter.com
    159 ionews.com
    150 li694-22.com
    147 newslash.org
    145 salientnews.net
    132 legitworksite.com
    126 newsdotorg.org
    116 bangdot.org
    116 dotbang.org
    110 baconnews.com
    97 altdiscuss.com
    93 alphadot.com
    89 thegarlic.com
    89 nerdcraft.com
    87 forkbeta.com
    86 nerdpost.com
    86 nerdcard.net
    85 fuckbeta.com
    80 dupenews.com
    80 hashsalt.org
    77 reslashed.com
    77 ls-lnews.com
    76 pulsedot.net
    79 firingsquid.com
    70 eigentime.com
    67 bayesianews.com
    66 lostdash.com
    64 newsping.com
    55 lowlevelnews.com
    52 newsignal.com
    50 crosslog.com
    44 salientnoise.com
    41 itarium.com
    40 uuengeek.com
    39 beardrhetoric.com
    39 silentmews.com
    38 yottatech.com
    37 nerddiscourse.com
    36 newsisyou.com
    36 boardkey.com
    35 nerdnewsnet.com
    33 freedivide.com
    32 fetanews.com
    29 omnidiscuss.com
    26 makemesmart.com
    25 minddivide.com
    22 saltdot.org
    22 newschattr.com
    21 noncorpnews.com
    21 gitgot.com
    21 absorbingnews.com
    20 squintfeed.com
    19 sigmanexus.com
    19 pipebeard.com
    18 futurians.com
    17 noncorporate.com
    16 salthash.com
    15 nerdgloss.com
    14 sigmavortex.com
    14 yottatalk.com
    14 chattrnews.com
    13 grepcutnews.com
    12 iorevolution.net
    12 deltachroma.com
    11 shpxurnq.com
    9 achetee.com
    9 gammavortex.com
    9 epsilonnexus.com
    9 dotsalt.org
    8 stealthnews.com
    8 newstat.com
    8 nntpping.com
    7 primedelta.com
    6 nunexus.com
    6 linevertex.com
    6 hecknews.com
    6 freedefy.com
    6 newuucp.com
    5 iotanexus.com
    4 newsconfig.com
    -
    (7839) (Total Points Used)

    The points are shown to illustrate how difficult it is to predict anything from the initial ranking phase. It may look like Soylent was a sure win from this, but in fact, if you look at the points, those used for names OTHER than soylent far outnumber the soylent votes. Since only a few names will make it into the final vote all those points will need to go somewhere...

    Now at this point we had to make a few decisions about the rules, some anticipated, some not.

    The anticipated one was that all the names would be checked and we would try to get possession of them in .com, .net, and org. Any we could not, would be removed from consideration.

    However, as it turned out, almost ALL the top choices would have been eliminated by this requirement. So we decided to relax that a bit to just the domains we ACTUALLY felt we needed, which were .org and .net. .com was less important, it is not like we were going to open a retail store...

    Then there were some problems that were not anticipated.

    The first one was that if we had to drop a name (and we did), the next name in line was newsgrep.com, which was nearly identical to grepnews.com - in fact they were deliberately submitted to be so, as an example. So a new rule was created: if two names are nearly identical, they get combined into one item, and if that item wins, a runoff is held between them.

    The next problem was that two of those names had potentially serious copyright problems. Soylent we expected, but with apt-get-news in the running, that was pretty closely associated with Debian/Ubuntu, and in particular, it could cause a problem with NCommander in his work situation which could be VERY awkward. (Think about it: your company makes a product called the XP100plus, and one of your employees starts a site called 'xp1000plus.com' that has NOTHING to do with your company or product...).

    At any moment, two of those names could be knocked out of the running, leaving us with a rather limited list for our runoff, consisting of

    sudonews.com
    grepnews.com
    newsgrep.com

    (if it happened after the list went out)

    Sort of a limited choice...

    So the next new rule was created: If a name has a copyright problem, another name will be added to the list as a backup in case that name gets knocked off the list later.

    So, with the new rules in mind, the runoff list from the community vote turned out to be:

    soylentnews.com
    sudonews.com
    grepnews.com (or newsgrep)
    apt-get-news.com
    dailybacon.net
    forkdot.org
    techmatter.com

    Now we needed to add the results of the staff top five to this, and delete any duplicates, to make up the final list that both staff and community would be voting on in the final round.

    So the staff vote was next...

  • (Score: 2) by AudioGuy on Monday June 02 2014, @09:41PM

    by AudioGuy (24) on Monday June 02 2014, @09:41PM (#50425) Journal

    The staff vote worked exactly like the community votes, with an initial submission phase.

    The initial email went out with just

    [] soylentnews.org

    just like the communithy vote..

    Six staff submitted names.

    -The initial name submissions were:-

    alphadot.org
    apt-get-news.org
    crosslog.org
    dailybacon.org
    deltachroma.org
    eigentime.org
    forkdot.org
    freedefine.org
    futurians.org
    grepnews.org
    ionews.org
    mindefine.org
    newsgrep.org
    newslash.org
    omnidiscuss.org
    salientnews.org
    salientnoise.org
    sigmanexus.org
    soylentnews.org
    sudonews.org
    techmatter.org

    (Just like the community vote, only names actually submitted could be voted on)

    This initial list went out for ranking.

    11 staff members voted.

    The raw results were:

    -Ranking Results (scores) for all submitted items:-

    36 sudonews.org
    31 salientnews.org
    27 ionews.org
    22 newsgrep.org
    21 techmatter.org
    20 apt-get-news.org
    20 salientnoise.org
    20 grepnews.org
    19 crosslog.org
    18 freedefine.org
    17 futurians.org
    17 deltachroma.org
    17 soylentnews.org
    16 eigentime.org
    16 alphadot.org
    15 sigmanexus.org
    9 newslash.org
    8 omnidiscuss.org
    8 mindefine.org
    7 forkdot.org
    7 dailybacon.org

    No duplicates or cheaters were detected. :-)

    -Final Top 5 for Staff (derived using the same rules used for the community vote)-

    sudonews
    salientnews:salientnoise (similar names)
    newsgrep:grepnews (similar names)
    techmatter
    apt-get-news.org
    crosslog

    Interesting that Soylent did not even make it into the staff top 5.

    -Final Combined List To Be Used For the Final Runoff Votes (Staff and Community)-

    This list is created by combining the top 5 from the community with the top 5 from the staff vote. The list is then alphabetized, and any duplicates removed. This is the list that will be used by both staff and the community for both final votes.

    apt-get-news
    crosslog
    dailybacon
    forkdot
    grepnews or newsgrep
    salientnews or salientnoise
    soylentnews
    sudonews
    techmatter

  • (Score: 2) by AudioGuy on Monday June 02 2014, @09:59PM

    by AudioGuy (24) on Monday June 02 2014, @09:59PM (#50433) Journal

    This is the big one. :-)

    The combined staff and community top fives were sent out to the community.

    Registered voters results

    1253 7 soylentnews
    837 5 grepnews or newsgrep
    792 8 sudonews
    769 9 techmatter
    550 1 apt-get-news
    514 6 salientnews or salientnoise
    485 4 forkdot
    472 3 dailybacon
    447 2 crosslog

    Add in points from a few manually added (kicked out, could not be decoded) ones:

    1253+28 7 soylentnews
    837+29 5 grepnews or newsgrep
    792+4 8 sudonews
    769+15 9 techmatter
    550+3 1 apt-get-news
    514+5 6 salientnews or salientnoise
    485+8 4 forkdot
    472+10 3 dailybacon
    447+6 2 crosslog

    Add in points from voters added after registration:

    1253+28+91 7 soylentnews
    837+29+107 5 grepnews or newsgrep
    792+4+68 8 sudonews
    769+15+79 9 techmatter
    550+3+54 1 apt-get-news
    514+5+52 6 salientnews or salientnoise
    485+8+64 4 forkdot
    472+10+42 3 dailybacon
    447+6+37 2 crosslog

    -Grand Final Totals for the community vote final runoff-

    Score Name
    - -
    1372 soylentnews
    973 grepnews or newsgrep
    864 sudonews
    863 techmatter
    607 apt-get-news
    573 salientnews or salientnoise
    557 forkdot
    524 dailybacon
    490 crosslog

    Now to the staff final vote, which by the rules, will prevail.

  • (Score: 2) by AudioGuy on Monday June 02 2014, @10:31PM

    by AudioGuy (24) on Monday June 02 2014, @10:31PM (#50437) Journal

    This is where the staff votes upon the exact same list as the community did (the combined list).

    10 staff voted.

    - All Rankings -
    44 grepnews or newsgrep
    40 soylentnews
    28 techmatter
    25 sudonews
    24 salientnews or salientnoise
    18 crosslog
    6 dailybacon
    6 forkdot
    5 apt-get-news

    - First choices only-
    27 soylentnews
    27 grepnews or newsgrep
    9 techmatter
    9 salientnews or salientnoise
    9 sudonews

    - First and Second choices only -
    35 grepnews or newsgrep
    27 soylentnews
    17 salientnews or salientnoise
    17 sudonews
    9 techmatter
    8 crosslog

    This is very close. So close, in fact it made a lot of people on staff very uncomfortable with going with such a narrow staff win, against the wishes of the community which had both a much larger voter base and a much more clear choice for its favorite.

    A decision was made in irc to have one more staff vote, this time on just one single issue. A new poll was started, with these choices:

    [] We should use the community vote results.
    [] I disagree

    The results were:

    63 We should use the community vote results.
    9 I disagree.

    So there you have it. Pretty much a landslide.

    The new name is...drum roll...

    soylentsnews.org

    With the following next in line (in order) for backups, if that name should become unusable due to copyright conflicts:

    grepnews or newsgrep
    sudonews
    techmatter
    apt-get-news
    salientnews or salientnoise
    forkdot
    dailybacon
    crosslog

    • (Score: 2) by AudioGuy on Monday June 02 2014, @10:36PM

      by AudioGuy (24) on Monday June 02 2014, @10:36PM (#50439) Journal

      And wouldn't you know it, after all that, I made a typo in the last, final, name that mattered.

      Let's make that name: soylentnews.org. :-)

    • (Score: 2) by CoolHand on Friday June 06 2014, @05:41PM

      by CoolHand (438) on Friday June 06 2014, @05:41PM (#52321) Journal

      It probably would have been wise to have had a run-off vote between soylentnews, and newsgrep (or grepnews), so that way all the anti-soylent news people would be splitting votes across all those choices. I mean the votes for everything other than soylentnews way outnumbered soylentnews. It should have been required that the winner achieved a true majority, and since that wasn't the case, reduce the number of choices until one does (or just go for two right away).
      I say this as someone who, in fact, did vote for soylentnews as the name. It just doesn't seem fair though, that it was picked with less than majority..

      --
      Anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job-Douglas Adams
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 06 2014, @06:29PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 06 2014, @06:29PM (#52339)

        I think there's something in the US water that makes people incapable of doing a two-candidate run-off. :)