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posted by janrinok on Saturday December 03 2016, @02:48AM   Printer-friendly
from the runningon-outium-ofine-ideasium dept.

Elements 113, 115, 117, and 118 are now formally named nihonium (Nh), moscovium (Mc), tennessine (Ts), and oganesson (Og)

https://iupac.org/iupac-announces-the-names-of-the-elements-113-115-117-and-118/

In concordance with and following the earlier reports that the claims for discovery of these elements have been fulfilled [...], the discoverers have been invited to propose names. Keeping with tradition, the newly discovered elements have been named after a place or geographical region, or a scientist. The ending of the names also reflects and maintains historical and chemical consistency: "-ium" for elements 113 and 115 and as for all new elements of groups 1 to 16, "-ine" for element 117 and belonging to group 17 and "-on" for element 118 element belonging to group 18.[3] The recommendations will be published in the IUPAC journal Pure and Applied Chemistry* (http://dx.doi.org/10.1515/pac-2016-0501).

[...] The exploration of new elements continues, and scientists are searching for elements beyond the seventh row of the periodic table. IUPAC and the International Union of Pure and Applied Physics (IUPAP) are establishing a new joint working group which task will be to examine the criteria used to verify claims for the discovery of new elements.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 03 2016, @05:09AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 03 2016, @05:09AM (#436407)

    Just because you don't understand what jmorris was getting at, doesn't mean he was wrong.

    Bottom line here is that these are atoms that are unstable and aren't going to be useful for anything other than testing theory for the time being. Eventually, they may make them last long enough to do actual chemistry with, but for the time being, they're not particularly noteworthy to people outside of the field.

    It's interesting for particle physics, but these are not substances that are likely to ever be useful as they are 100% man made and would have to be created in large quantities if they ever do manage to find some application for them.

  • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday December 03 2016, @05:51AM

    by aristarchus (2645) on Saturday December 03 2016, @05:51AM (#436415) Journal

    Just because you don't understand what jmorris was getting at, doesn't mean he was wrong.

    Oh, I understand all too well what jmorris is getting at. It is what I suggest all right-wing nut-jobs are always getting at. So what would constitute "wrong" in this case? Could it be that exploring new possible elements, even if they never have any possible application in anything that is useful to ammosexuals, is still worthwhile, because knowledge is worthwhile just because it is knowledge? OK, you seem to be one of the slower ACs. Why did Tenzig Norgay climb Mount Everest? Yeah, because it was there, biatch!

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday December 03 2016, @06:44AM

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday December 03 2016, @06:44AM (#436432) Journal

      He's not entirely wrong, in the sense that there are only so many resources going around and we really really REALLY need to be focusing on sustainability and population control at this point.

      Of course he's gone on a foaming, wild-eyed, spittle-flecked rant about K-type and r-type strategies, during which he massively overextends the scope of these terms to cover things they not only never were intended to cover in the first place, but don't actually entail. But it wouldn't be jmorris if he weren't 99% wrong about everything he said, would it?

      Christ, this guy gives me the creeps. I can imagine what kind of cold, dead, doesn't-actually-connect-when-he-looks-you-in-the-eyes stare he has. For a guy who claims to be a K-type, he's seriously reptilian...

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      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
      • (Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 03 2016, @07:46AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday December 03 2016, @07:46AM (#436448)

        Look at what a couple of sacks of shit you two are.

        Can't have a conversation about anything without fuckwits inserting their politics into it. It's even better when it's fuckwits that just lost a historic election that was supposed to be a landslide in their favor.

        Do you two peacocks enjoy your virtue signaling? Is there such a thing as a Tolerant Liberal who is actually tolerant? I haven't seen one yet.

        • (Score: 2) by janrinok on Saturday December 03 2016, @08:21AM

          by janrinok (52) Subscriber Badge on Saturday December 03 2016, @08:21AM (#436458) Journal

          I have to agree with you. A number of interesting scientific stories have degenerated into yet another mudslinging political 'debate'. Can we discuss the science and not personal grievances or triumphalism over the recent election?

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          [nostyle RIP 06 May 2025]
        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Saturday December 03 2016, @08:34PM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Saturday December 03 2016, @08:34PM (#436629) Journal

          I am not a liberal in the modern sense, and I lost all "tolerance" around about 9/11. Real evil exists in this world, and I will be damned if I don't at least stand up and point it out. My political views are closer to "left-libertarian" than anything, if you're wondering.

          Also? Your use of "virtue signalling" has identified you and your beliefs in capsule form. You only use the term because you yourself HAVE no virtues, signalled or otherwise. Good DAY, sir.

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          I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by stormwyrm on Saturday December 03 2016, @07:33AM

    by stormwyrm (717) on Saturday December 03 2016, @07:33AM (#436443) Journal
    Oh who knows. These elements might not be good for anything but improving our understanding of the nuclear forces. And who knows what a better understanding of these fundamental interactions of nature might lead to? Practical fusion maybe? Better materials? Only if we actually do this sort of research can we ever know. I can imagine people in the nineteenth century similarly arguing why they have to keep wasting good taxpayers’ money to fund public research universities like King’s College London where slackers like James Clerk Maxwell are doing nothing but developing useless theories about stuff like electromagnetism that they don’t understand and can’t see any practical application for. We all know today what applications Maxwell’s Equations eventually found, of course. If historical circumstances forced Maxwell to do something else with his life because he couldn’t make a living doing physics research, that might have set back the development of electromagnetic theory decades.
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    Numquam ponenda est pluralitas sine necessitate.