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It's 2017. Why are there still Nazis?
It's a question many observers are asking after hundreds of white supremacists, many displaying swastikas and Confederate battle flags and shouting racist, anti-Semitic, and anti-communist slogans, took to the streets of Charlottesville, Va., this weekend, provoking violence that claimed the life of one counter-protester and resulted in multiple injuries.
The continued existence of people who hold openly white supremacist ideologies more than seven decades after the fall of the Third Reich can be explained, in part, through a social theory developed in the early 1990s. Social dominance theory seeks to explain how hierarchy-enhancing ideologies do not just drive social inequality, but are also a result of it. It suggests that a single personality trait, called social dominance orientation (SDO), strongly predicts a person's political and social views, from foreign policy and criminal justice to civil rights and the environment. What's more, it offers insight into how ideologies such as racism, sexism, and xenophobia tend to arise from the unequal distribution of a society's resources.
"Social dominance theory provides a yardstick for measuring social and political ideologies," says Felicia Pratto, who developed the theory with fellow psychologist Jim Sidanius. "SDO is one way – not the only one – to try to figure out what those ideologies are 'about.'"
You too can take the Social Dominance Orientation quiz to determine your nazi quotient.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @10:54PM (21 children)
Yet the democrats continue to march and bitch about it and tearing down their history. In my life I have met 1 honest to God KKK member. He quit in the 80s because it was too violent. Yet if you watch the news KKK, Nazis, and Russians are everywhere. To be feared. The are a vastly tiny minority to be ignored. Yet if you want to believe the newest creations of the Democratic party (BLM and AntiFA) we should fear them and kick their heads in. Well they would know, they created the very groups they are telling us to fear and blaming the republicans for it. Then turning around and acting exactly like the very groups we are told to fear. Maybe they can trot out previous democrat candidate david duke again to show how bad everyone is.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:04PM
David Duke is an opportunist, he ran as both a Republican and a Democrat. He was a Republican State Senator who ran as a Republican for President then the next time ran as a Democrat. What's your point? Your white hood covers it nicely.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:24PM (9 children)
Just having a little fun with you.
My father is a white supremacist, but not KKK. He's Christian Identity. It was boy-type Clinton that did it to him, if anything. Lots of people, dad included, were hoping for Jesus to return after a Jewish power grab following Y2K. Then Jesus was supposed to lead dad and his sons in jihad against the infidels.
I don't know if dad is still a Christian Identity minister; haven't spoken to him since.
What I'm struggling to understand is that if the people here and now, 17 years later, have grievances and believe that they really have become victims of racial oppression, why, of all things they could possibly choose to rally around, would they choose Nazis, the KKK, and the CSA?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by qzm on Saturday September 16 2017, @11:49PM (4 children)
Because the left has already labeled anyone who does not fight to show a more extreme left signaling than the next person as a Nazi?
If you are going to label half your own damn country (wrongly..) Nazis, don't be surprised when they act more like them..
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @02:49AM (2 children)
You wanna see extreme left signaling? Just ride through Miami on I-95...
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @04:07AM (1 child)
Hey, you never once drove for 2 miles without realizing that your left blinker was still on?
Quit picking on us old folks, dude.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Sunday September 17 2017, @05:50AM
My vehicle beeps at me if I leave the blinker on.
I will somewhat shamefacedly admit I've heard that particular beep several times...
Yeah, over 60 here.
(Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @08:26AM
How interesting.
Would you be okay with replacing Nazis with Islamic terrorists in your statement?
(Score: 5, Insightful) by jmorris on Sunday September 17 2017, @12:39AM (3 children)
Lots of reasons for Nazis. Not a lot of "real" Nazis though.
When the official Narrative says anyone to the Right of Antifa is a NAZI! it causes major distortions in reality. First you get the people who resign themselves to being labeled a Nazi regardless and decide if they can't escape the label to at least try out the stylish jackboots.
Then you get the ironic Nazis. Then related are the LARPer Nazis like Anglin at dailystormer (of so much recent sound and fury) who just poses as a Nazi because it gets attention and he thinks it is hilarious to post Nazi memes for lulz. But I heard him debate Vox Day and it was clear the guy has never so much as even browsed Hitler's writings. Hell, he is too young to have even seen the Hollywood Nazis on Hogan's Heros. Anglin is a troll.
Then you get wanna be Nazis like David Duke. Sorry, the Klan isn't really Nazi, it was the terror wing of the Democratic Party long before Hitler was born. They might want to aspire to be Nazis but no, ain't happening. Since being cast aside when the Democratic Party went in a different direction and downsided em they have been haplessly flailing around for a reason to exist.
Then there are the wanna be Nazis at Stormfront, but their tech sucked and couldn't survive the shuttening.
If you search hard enough though there ARE some actual Nazis who really know what it is and believe it. But then if you search hard enough you can find people who believe just about anything on the Internet. If every one of em converted a hundred new recruits they wouldn't be a big enough problem to justify keeping them as the designated #1 threat. As usual we chase phantoms to distract from actual problems.
As for Confederates, try reading some history. Dig though, remember that Lincoln's side won and got to write most of the history books so be sure to find some from the other side too. Until you actually know why so many Southerners who didn't own slaves were willing to fight and die you do not understand. Until you can see where both sides had an argument for being right AND were vulnerable to equally strong arguments as to why they were wrong; you do not understand. Until you realize that the Confederate veterans were eventually granted pensions and other benefits from the US Government and understand how that could happen, you still need to read more history. Reality is much more complex than the soundbites we are given.
Ponder this. The South lost, Lee surrendered. Yet there are statues of him across the country. There are few if any statues of General Cornwallis even though we now consider England our best friend and ally in the world. Why? When you know the answer you will achieve enlightenment.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @03:17AM
There are few if any statues of General Cornwallis even though we now consider England our best friend and ally in the world. Why?
Is it because *England is a fag country* [youtube.com]?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @04:17AM
why so many Southerners who didn't own slaves were willing to fight and die
I already linked to a killer bit of audio [kpfk.org] when replying to another nitwit (E-f). [soylentnews.org]
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 18 2017, @07:54AM
Oh the lack of self awareness!
As for the Nazis, try reading some history. Dig through, remember that Hitler's side lost and all the world's official history books are from the side that won. If you try real hard, you can find historians trying to dig up the truth. [youtube.com] But you won't like it, because it uses facts to disprove the established narratives. Looks like the good guys don't always win every war...
(Score: 5, Informative) by number11 on Sunday September 17 2017, @01:29AM (9 children)
That's nuts. Groups like BLM and Antifa aren't "creations of the Democratic party", they view the Democratic Party as a center-right party controlled by corporate interests. And it is. The fact that the Republican party now includes extreme-right elements doesn't make the Democrats leftists. And while Antifa does include some people who believe violence works (much like the US and state governments believe)(and a few of who are likely agents provocateur, not unlike those who work for the FBI and hustle disaffected people to form terrorist cells, so that they can then arrest them and brag about how the FBI is protecting everyone). BLM seems pretty peaceful, as far as anti-person violence goes. Note that BLM is not crowds rioting. And in any case let's not conflate breaking a window with terrorists who drive into crowds.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 17 2017, @01:41AM (8 children)
"Note that BLM is not crowds rioting."
Yes, of course you're right. Stores weren't burnt, automobiles weren't destroyed in Ferguson. Not by BLM anyway. It was all part of the vast right wing conspiracy to make some lefties look bad. And, everything was covered by insurance anyway, right?
/sarcasm
BLM is just another fascist group ready and willing to resort to violence when it suits them. Racist assholes are always willing to rally to one flag or another. BLM has chosen their banner.
“Take me to the Brig. I want to see the “real Marines”. – Major General Chesty Puller, USMC
(Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @04:30AM (6 children)
As happens repeatedly WRT protests, the folks doing the damage were undercover cops. [google.com]
It's obvious that that's the reason those folks weren't arrested and we don't know their names.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 17 2017, @07:40AM (5 children)
Yeah, well, if all of that be true, then someone needs to dig into it, and PROVE IT!
“Take me to the Brig. I want to see the “real Marines”. – Major General Chesty Puller, USMC
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @09:45AM (4 children)
It's well documented. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/COINTELPRO [wikipedia.org]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 17 2017, @10:15AM (3 children)
Ferguson doesn't seem to be mentioned on that page . . . or black lives matter . . . black is mentioned, specifically "black leaders", but it doesn't reference anything about Ferguson.
Besides which, it has often been pointed out that the wikipedia is NOT an authoritative source for anything. I mean, you can't take your suspicions to court, and use Wikipedia as a source for evidence. Did I mention something like "dig into it and PROVE IT" or did I not?
“Take me to the Brig. I want to see the “real Marines”. – Major General Chesty Puller, USMC
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 17 2017, @11:02AM (1 child)
Just calm the fuck down and shut the fuck up, Runaway. Yes, accepted fact contra-indicates your Fox News driven worldview. It is not the first time, man! Buck up, get ahold of yourself, and just deal with it, OK? You are wrong, again. Just accept it, and try to learn from the error. Or you will be mocked mercilessly, and with out end. Do you want to be mocked, Runaway? I have a few choice descriptives all ready to throw down on you, if you want them!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 17 2017, @12:08PM
You, Mr/Ms AC, have this preoccupation with Faux Noise. When do you understand that I don't use Fox as a news source very often? Oh, I click on them now and then, because the do have stories that the rest of MSM doesn't cover. But, I've clicked on more Canadian stories this month, than I have Fox. More Indian stories than Fox. Probably as many Chinese stories as Fox. Even in my non-Progressive world, Fox is a third-rate news source. In your more progressive world, the US MSM is probably your prime source of news. Hey, get out of your little echo chamber, and add some foreign news sources to your news feeds. Russia, China, Oz, India, Israel, Iran, Canada - there are a lot of points of view other than your US-centric MSM.
“Take me to the Brig. I want to see the “real Marines”. – Major General Chesty Puller, USMC
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 18 2017, @07:06AM
Wikipedia is not a source but a collection of sources...
(Score: 3, Insightful) by number11 on Sunday September 17 2017, @05:35AM
Exactly right. There was destruction, but not by BLM. You don't think that all blacks are BLM members, do you? There were a lot of pissed off people who'd been getting screwed for years, and who saw that cops would cover for each other, and governments and courts would cover for them, regardless of what they had done. (Now, I'm not saying that that was necessarily a correct view, but that's what a lot of people saw.)
Nah. The only right wing conspiracy is to pretend that cops can do no wrong (or that, if they do, the consequences to them are the same as the consequences would be to you or me). I wouldn't call BLM particularly leftist, either (race is kinda orthogonal to politics, if you're not a racist). BLM is mostly concerned with the fact that cops kill black people pretty much with impunity. We still have to see if the case in Minnesota where a black cop killed a white woman is treated the same. (It might be, in which case All Lives Matter, though your odds are a lot worse if you're black.)