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X11 has Turned 30 Years Old

posted by martyb on Sunday September 17 2017, @02:54AM   Printer-friendly
from the Happy-Birthday-to-You! dept.

canopic jug writes:

September 15th was the 30th anniversary of the anniversary of X11

The X11 window system turns 30 years old today! X11 which still lives on through today via the X.Org Server on Linux, BSD, Solaris, and other operating systems is now three decades old.

It was on this day in 1987 that Ralph Swick of MIT announced the X Window System Version 11 Release 1. As explained in the announcement compared to earlier versions of X, X11 offered "This release represents a major redesign and enhancement of X and signals it's graduation from the research community into the product engineering and development community. The X Window System version 11 is intended to be able to support virtually all known instances of raster display hardware and reasonable future hardware, including hardware supporting deep frame buffers, multiple colormaps and various levels of hardware graphics assist."

https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=X11-Turns-30

[As a point of reference, Intel introduced the 80386 in 1985 and the 80386SX variant in 1988. --Ed.]

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by sjames on Sunday September 17 2017, @04:10PM (3 children)

    by sjames (2882) on Sunday September 17 2017, @04:10PM (#569413) Journal

    As someone who once made a block of shared MEMORY network transparent using mmap and a segv handler, I call bullshit. Now, my network shared memory was dreadfully inefficient mainly because it had to be bolted on to a protocol that never considered network transparency, but it actually worked, and didn't even need root access. And you're telling me nobody working on Wayland can even manage it when they control the protocol|? And you wonder why people like me say they will NEVER adopt Wayland?

    BTW, X actually works quite well over a LAN and tolerably within the same metro area. It's far less clunky than remote accessing whole desktops. Using tools like Xpra, you can even dettach and re-attach to remote GUI software more or less the way screen works for text.

    Your best argument is that you personally never do that thing that's so easy to do in X so it's fine if Wayland makes it impossible? What happened to that space for improvement? It sounds more like a once and for all lock in.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by digitalaudiorock on Sunday September 17 2017, @04:42PM (2 children)

    by digitalaudiorock (688) on Sunday September 17 2017, @04:42PM (#569422) Journal

    Your best argument is that you personally never do that thing that's so easy to do in X so it's fine if Wayland makes it impossible?

    +1000. I use X in applications via ssh all the time. No way am I giving that up just because the freedesktop.org folks don't think it's necessary.

    I actually didn't realize until reading the comments here that it was from freedesktop.org at all. What reason has anyone been given to trust those asshats? How long until it requires systemd as does Gnome?

    • (Score: 2, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 18 2017, @05:24AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 18 2017, @05:24AM (#569630)

      I wish folks would quit posing this nonsense.
      systemd is -not- compatible with *BSD.
      GNOME -is- compatible with *BSD.

      QED: GNOME does not require systemd.

      -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

      • (Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Wednesday September 20 2017, @11:35PM

        by digitalaudiorock (688) on Wednesday September 20 2017, @11:35PM (#570905) Journal

        Bullshit!! All the folks forking stuff and writing fucking shims etc, and this [wikipedia.org] beg to differ:

        As of 2015, a large number of Linux distributions have followed their parent Linux-distributions (such as Red Hat) in adopting systemd as their default init system.[6] The increasing adoption of systemd has been controversial, with critics arguing that the software has violated the Unix philosophy by becoming increasingly complex, and that distributions have been forced to adopt it due to the dependency of various other software upon it, including most notably GNOME 3, a desktop environment.

        No surprise you posted this AC.