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Here we are, two days after The Morgatory Blizzander took exception to one of my submissions that was approved by another ed. Strange, because TMB is not even an ed, he is only a coder, from what I understand, so how could his objection overrule the decision of an editor? The result, as documented in my last journal, is that my submission has been deep sixed, marked as hidden, so that it is not in the queue, not in the pre-queue, not anywhere! I request, respectfully, that the eds cease this act of censorship. TMB's objections are no more valid than mine, and since I thought this particular article important enough to be a submission to SoylentNews, TMB's objections are noted, but now I think he may actually be a Nazi. Which, as a Native American, seems strange. But I do remember a scene in the movie "Under the Volcano", starring Albert Finney, where a Metis riding on a bus, and wearing a National Socialist Party Pin, harasses a full-blood Native American Mexican. And then it hit me! Not about racial purity at all, since the half-breeds could feel superior to the full bloods, as long as they were not of the "right" blood. TMB is a mongrel. Not that there is anything wrong with that, I am one, too! But to object to an investigative piece looking into the alt-right, because he is afraid, and I repeat, AFRAID, that I am calling him a Nazi? Methinks the Buzzard protests too much. Let my submission go, eds! Let it go.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 28 2017, @02:35PM (7 children)
Bismillah! No we will not let it go!
(Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Thursday September 28 2017, @08:05PM (6 children)
"Let it go!"
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Friday September 29 2017, @02:48PM (5 children)
Would you remind me, sometime next year, to put this on the list of things to give a damn about? Or, next decade. I'm in no rush, after all.
(Score: 3, Informative) by aristarchus on Friday September 29 2017, @04:17PM (4 children)
Bohemian rhapsody, Runaway, the proper response is: "We will not let it go!" Followed at some point by "Scaramouche! Scaramouche! Can you do the fandango?" Or, I guess, you could just tell us what you think. Again. Frumping Nazis!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 30 2017, @12:56AM (3 children)
Uh-huh - but - how many Bohemians are there on the forum?
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday September 30 2017, @03:56AM (1 child)
Know your Slavs, since you are one, Runaway. Bohemians are everywhere. It was originally the kingdom that had Prague as it's capital, now part of the Czech Republic, formerly part of Czechoslovakia.
As for the Rhapsody, I cannot tell if you have missed the cultural reference, or you are just being Runaway. So, here!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJ9rUzIMcZQ [youtube.com]
Queen, "Bohemian Rhapsody", Featured in "Wayne's World"
Enjoy.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Saturday September 30 2017, @02:34PM
*sigh*
I WAS just jerking your chain. No one in the US of A over the age of about 6 has never heard the song. Radio, internet, home stereo, a friend's house - whatever. And, of course, the song doesn't refer to a Bohemian ethnicity, it refers to the alternative definitions:
Bohemian
adjective
1. (often not cap.) unconventional, alternative, artistic, exotic, way-out (informal), eccentric, avant-garde, off-the-wall (slang), unorthodox, arty (informal), oddball (informal), offbeat, left bank, nonconformist, outré, out there (slang), boho bohemian pre-war poets
unconventional conservative, square (informal), conventional, bourgeois, stuffy, straight (slang), straight-laced, Pooterish
noun
1. (often not cap.) nonconformist, rebel, radical, eccentric, maverick, hippy, dropout, individualist, beatnik, iconoclast, boho I am a bohemian. I have no roots.
Take your pick, you can make most of those work. Or, you can use Romany, or Gypsy. The song will have the same meaning with any of those terms.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by aristarchus on Monday October 02 2017, @09:44AM
Bohemians were rather good at killing Nazis, even after they invaded their country. Perhaps you have heard of Operation Anthropoid [wikipedia.org]?
This is why I, for one, so enjoy the movie "Inglorious Bastards", just for what could have been. And, at least Inglorious bastards are patriots, and not some deplorable Nazi sympathizing white cuck Southern Conservative Hillbilly livestock-molesting Republicans.
Only takes a few dedicated Bohemians, that's all I'm saying.
(Score: 2, Funny) by Sulla on Thursday September 28 2017, @03:21PM (9 children)
I think the problem is that we are unable to tell who in our society are Nazis and who are not. They live all across the nation with no definitive way to tell (my suspisions are that anyone who is a male, and white, and also straight, is probably also a Nazi). Because it has already been established that punching Nazis is okay, the next step is to indicate who they are so that we can punch them.
My suggesion is that we make all Nazis wear a swastika, this way we know who they are. We already have all those fema camps built, we should just sequester them in those locations so that they can't threaten national security. Plus added bonus is we can punch them whenever we want.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: 3, Interesting) by turgid on Thursday September 28 2017, @04:19PM
While they're in the camps we could get some useful work out of them in return for basic food rations.
I refuse to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent [wikipedia.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 28 2017, @04:48PM (7 children)
The thing is that most "Nazis" today in the U.S.A. are not actual Nazis, but rather Neo-Nazis. One of the big aspects of the Nazi platform was that they were Socialists. I don't think many of the modern day "Nazis," at least at the lowest levels, would ever claim to be socialists or be sympathetic to most socialist positions.
(Score: 3, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Thursday September 28 2017, @06:28PM (6 children)
One of the big aspects of the Nazi platform was that they were Socialists.
Yep, and one of the big aspects of the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is all that Democracy that's going on.
Didn't you hear, Kim Jong Un won with 125% of the vote! Super Democracy!
(Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Thursday September 28 2017, @06:29PM
*for the semanticles: DPRK, not DPRNK, of course...
(Score: -1, Offtopic) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday September 28 2017, @10:17PM (4 children)
I understand that people can call themselves whatever they want, but if you look at what the Nazis did, it actually was highly Socialist. The racism arose from their Make Germany Great Again part of the platform applied to various "others." I just find it somewhat humorous how some groups jump up and down showing their roots in the real Nazi Party, in order to get some level of legitimacy among the flock, while simultaneously not upholding one of the largest parts of their platform.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @03:42AM (3 children)
Here's Socialism:
The collective ownership of the means of production by The Workers".
The Nazis were FASCISTS.
They were Capitalist Authoritarians, NOT Anti-Capitalist Civil Libertarians.
They could not possibly be farther away from Socialism on the political palate.
Not even 2 weeks ago, we went over this. [soylentnews.org]
You attempt to use words that you don't understand.
You are a nitwit.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @04:18PM (2 children)
Different AC, but Communism is under the umbrella of the term Socialism. That makes both of you wrong, in a way. So, I'd be more careful if I were you before I claimed people were misusing words or calling them names.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @09:35PM (1 child)
Communism is under the umbrella of the term Socialism
I would call Communism an -extension- of Socialism.
My vision of Communism:
After all the workplaces that can logically be organized as worker-owned cooperatives[1] have been, the gov't then acquires control of the remaining very-large natural monopolies (water, sewage, electricity[1], natural gas, communications, roads, mass transit, ...) and, as an agent for The Workers, runs those--with a tight feedback loop, giving an ability for the population to boot out poor performers quickly.
N.B. The -extension- part needn't differ greatly from the brand of Liberal Democracy that they have in northern Europe.
Why Denmark Is So Happy (The Nordic Economic Model Makes Sense) by George Lakey [wagingnonviolence.org]
[1] ...and with modern technologies, centralized generation and a grid are becoming less necessary.
[2] See northern Italy for a place with considerable success at creating Worker-Owners.
Since 1985, they have had a mechanism that helps greatly with this: The Marcora Law [google.com]
There are now well over 10,000 such co-ops in Italy, constructed from and by workers that the boom-and-bust Capitalists had laid off.
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Note that The top-down things that have called themselves "Communism"[3] are falsely named (as with "National Socialists" and "DPRK").
The Bolsheviks betrayed their own principles immediately after the October 1917 revolution, crushing the soviets (workers' councils, residents' councils, etc.) and ruling at gunpoint.
[3] ...with the Capitalist West gleefully parroting the term and pointing to the failure of "Communism".
...not to mention the Capitalist West's overt efforts to quash the nascent "Communist" economy. [googleusercontent.com] (orig) [criticalenquiry.org]
Before Lenin died in 1924 and Stalin took over, the Bolsheviks had once again showed that what they wanted was centralization of top-down power. [google.com]
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In summary: A lot of folks imagine gov't control of -everything- as being "Socialism".
They completely omit from the picture the worker-owned workplaces (Democracy in the Workplace).
That is -the- ESSENTIAL mark of Socialism, i.e. the worker-owned cooperative is the fundamental unit of Socialism (or even the individual worker-owner).
I also see worker-owned co-ops as essential to the model of Communism, which proceeds from that starting point.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @09:45PM
[1] See northern Italy for a place with considerable success at creating Worker-Owners.
Since 1985, they have had a mechanism that helps greatly with this: The Marcora Law [google.com]
There are now well over 10,000 such co-ops in Italy, constructed from and by workers that the boom-and-bust Capitalists had laid off.
[2] ...and with modern technologies, centralized generation and a grid are becoming less necessary.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by DeathMonkey on Thursday September 28 2017, @06:32PM
Sounds an awful lot like the dreaded shadow-ban of lore.
Man, I hope that Morgatory guy doesn't tell The Mighty Buzzard about these shenanigans. He gets all worked up over stuff like that!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday September 29 2017, @06:23AM (9 children)
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Saturday September 30 2017, @09:22AM (8 children)
Quite an impressive list. May I ask where it comes from? The very idea that there exists such a purgatory of submissions makes me question the very integrity of SoylentNews, as if I did not already have enough reason. Eds! Let our submissions go! Either reject them, and say why, or put them into the queue! What other than The Magenta Broussiard is keeping you from adhering to basic journalistic standards? Oh, no, say it is not so! He has pictures? Ouch! But take a fall for the team, eds! I would.
(Score: 3, Informative) by LoRdTAW on Sunday October 01 2017, @02:25AM (7 children)
This is not a secret list. In the submission queue [soylentnews.org], there is a drop down menu called "Classification". Under that drop down, select Hold. As of now, there are 21 stories on hold.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Sunday October 01 2017, @02:27AM (5 children)
Dang it. Fudged up the link. Actual link that should work: https://soylentnews.org/submit.pl?op=list [soylentnews.org] Otherwise just click the current submission queue link.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Sunday October 01 2017, @09:20AM (4 children)
Strange I do not see my suppressed submission on any of these lists. Double Super Secret Probation, Oh Dean Buzzard? And even now, as Facists thugs attack vegan restaurants in Georgia (the Caucausus one, not the former British Penal Colony), I suspect a conspiracy, a world-wide alt-right attempt to make being a dick acceptable again. Even being a Nazi dick. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToKcmnrE5oY [youtube.com]
Are we the baddies? Have you looked at what's on our caps? At least it's not a rat's anus.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday October 01 2017, @04:59PM (3 children)
I think I can help you shed some light on this. What you call "suppressed" was a story that was set to not display.
When an editor accepts a submission [soylentnews.org], it will link to the corresponding story [soylentnews.org], unless two or more submissions were merged, in which case none of them links to the story since merging creates a new submission.
But if a story is set to not display, the story page will say "Nothing for you to see here. Please move along", even though the submission links to it and you got credit (+3 karma) for the submission.
Some reasons to do that are: the story is a dupe, the story is sitting at a future date at the top of the list, the story is being edited and isn't ready yet, or in your case, an editor didn't agree it should run and clicked the checkbox to kill the story (and it wasn't TMB).
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Monday October 02 2017, @08:16AM (2 children)
Thank you, Takyon! Of course the mechanics of the shadow ban mean nothing in regards to the ethics of such behavior on the part of the editors, not who is responsible in this case. (I am quite aware of who it was, TMB is just a Nazi sympathizer that needs to be called out.) So any ed can kill any story, for any reason, such as trying to legitimize neo-Nazi groups in the United States of Americoons? This is very interesting. Very.
So when will my submission be posted on the main page? Days? Weeks? Months? Until after the Allies victory over the Axis? Just wanting to know. I have so many more lined up and ready to go. Seems Nazis are all the rage these days.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @01:55AM (1 child)
"Not who"? Maybe you meant "nor who"?
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday October 03 2017, @08:25AM
I was going for "nort", as in Nort Dakooota.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday October 03 2017, @12:12AM
I don't see "Poll: How many ISPs are connected to your home network? [soylentnews.org]" listed with the held stories.