SoylentNews is people
SoylentNews
The Fine print: The following are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
Journal by takyon
Sexy "Handmaid's Tale" Halloween Costume, Outrage Ensues
|
Log In/Create an Account
| Top
| 26 comments
| Search Discussion
The Fine Print: The following comments are owned by whoever posted them. We are not responsible for them in any way.
(1)
(1)
innovate, v.:
To annoy people.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 23 2018, @01:53AM (3 children)
I gather this is about some future where women have no control, and wear some weird costume, and belong to some strange religion?
Some members of congress dressed like that, I think for the hearings on the judge. That makes no sense. From what I'm hearing about the movie, it looks almost like a dystopian future where democrats have succeeded in welcoming lots of Muslims into our country. It fits: no rights for women, have to wear a weird costume, following some strange religion...
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 23 2018, @02:11AM (1 child)
Let's oppose the rapist patriarchy by importing an even more oppressive rapist patriarchy while fetishising a TV series about rapist patriarchy and simultaneously objecting to the fetishization of the rapist hierarchy we watch for entertainment. The left have all the answers don't they?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 23 2018, @10:37PM
It does tend to expose the intellectual bankruptcy of 3rd wave/capitalist feminism.
Feminism must get back to its Marxist roots.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 23 2018, @03:43PM
Except in the Handmaid's Tale they're Christian. Like the orange buffoon in chief.
(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday September 23 2018, @02:29AM (1 child)
Man, when I was a kid I took an old sheet, ripped it into long strips, dirtied it up a bit and went out as a mummy.
Now I guess I gotta be a sexy mummy?
"That's it, baby...suck my linen...thas it....suck that linen.....yeah..."
Sigh.
--- Please remind me if I haven't been civil to you: I'm channeling MDC. ---Gaaark 2.0 ---
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 23 2018, @03:04AM
https://static.lewdgamer.com/img/2016/failure-heralds-sexy-times-in-visual-novel-quest-failed_60a7dda4.jpg [lewdgamer.com]
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday September 23 2018, @02:45AM (19 children)
Let me get this straight: Create a show designed to show your distaste for women being oppressed and that's good. But sell a costume from that show and that's bad? And some people wonder why they don't get taken seriously...
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Sunday September 23 2018, @03:25AM (1 child)
I suppose it's possible, if I watched the show, I could wrap my mind around this. Then again, nearly half of the SJW protests are incomprehensible. They don't like ANYTHING!
Abortion is the number one killed of children in the United States.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @05:44PM
Don't worry, half of your comments are written off as "grandpa needs a nap". It is ok, you have about 12% of a point as usual.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Sunday September 23 2018, @04:12AM (16 children)
That's not exactly right. The normal version of the costume was used for feminist-centric protests [theguardian.com]. That was the burka-like costume "from that show", not the sexy one. It was used in protests to act as a visible and vibrant symbol of how women are oppressed. A sexy Halloween version undermines that symbol and gives men another thing to ogle.
Then again, FEMEN had a pretty good idea for what to wear at a feminist protest.
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday September 23 2018, @04:57AM (8 children)
You know, that's actually even worse.
When will these tools learn that any plan predicated on changing human nature is doomed to failure and can only even have a mockery of itself accomplished by overwhelming oppression?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 23 2018, @06:01PM (7 children)
You'll have to wait for the next wave of feminism, at least. If you actually look at feminist literature, you'll see how much the different waves are from each other. It was originally about ending legal barriers to equality, basically the idea was that women were more than property and culminated in things like the 20th Amendment, property rights and more self-autonomy for women.
Then, they pivoted to social things like gender roles, domestic, barriers to working, education, and women's liberation. But note, that those advances didn't need to take away the rights of others and were about elevating women (and certain groups of men with the same problems), not smacking down the "privileged" groups. In fact, many of the advances in 1st and second wave feminism involved educating and consciousness-raising of women too, as they were limiting each other.
Once the obvious gains were made, feminism sort of splintered off into many things but I think they are best summarized as "ending violence against women." Depending on how the different groups are defined, there goal was ending violence as they see it. So, support for individualism, diversity, sexual harassment, unfair divorce laws, and other forms of "oppression" were widespread. It is also worth noting that this is where the idea of handicapping men arose, as being violent for men is OK, because the patriarchy is violence against women.
This leads directly to the emerging fourth wave. Because the third is so violence focused, it is only natural for people to adopt the victim mentality. Hence, the fourth wave almost exclusively uses the victim narrative. This leads to three things, self defense is fully justified, even preemptively, because it will promote the greater good, forcing equality of outcomes is arguably required as you can't do it on your own by definition, and when all else fails, turtle up in your victimhood, so that others will rescue you. Of note, is that in many ways women and groups that don't already agree with you are the enemy to be destroyed as well, not innocent bystanders or potential assets in the future.
The fourth wave needs to learn the hard lessons of the first and second wavers. The biggest being picking a few unifying issues, as it is easier to get support that way; Equality of opportunity, not outcome; don't attack those who aren't directly opposing you; and feminism works when it is about empowerment and raising people up, not coddling or bringing them down.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 23 2018, @11:06PM (6 children)
I think that the next wave of feminism will be much closer to traditionalism than feminism. There seems to be some women out there who, despite not being religious, seem to want to go back to the 50s housewife role. The wife being the most important person in the household who ensures everyone is safe/fed/educated/etc. The various waves of feminism took women from being able to work if they wanted, to being more equal in the workplace, to now being vilified if they want to do anything but work their whole lives.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @02:47PM (5 children)
The role of homemaker should not be a gendered role. There are many men who would love to take up that role. It is only outmoded stereotypes and gender roles that tell us that the homemaker must be a housewife. The homemaker should also be the primary educator of the children in the household, as she or he will have a more flexible schedule than the breadwinner. The ideal homemaker is somebody who is well-educated with an advanced degree such as MS or Ph.D.
Are we sure that the emerging desire of women to be housewives is not a result of declining living standards of the working class; the increasingly degrading nature of work in a service economy or as a warehouse worker whose day is micromanaged by metrics; or how it is becoming apparent that getting ahead in the working class is a futile endeavor? Are these women desiring a fantasy that does not reflect the realities of the economic situation that their would-be providers (men) face and is detached from the reality (thanks to extensive propaganda in support of identity politics) that men are facing the exact same thing that makes them wish for a return to traditional gender roles?
Does anybody really believe the nonsense about the wage gap? Perhaps this makes the idea of being a housewife more appealing as a practical matter.
There is certainly something very reactionary brewing. Capitalist feminism is reactionary in nature, however it seems to be pushing attitudes women hold further in a reactionary direction instead of a radical direction. The only alternatives that most women are able to consider are both reactionary in nature: a return to the limited role of housewife or support of the quixotic efforts of third wave feminism and its attendant, unpalatable misandry.
There is also the problem that many women are afraid to speak out against feminism. Perhaps that too explains why there are only two reactionary alternatives under consideration.
(Score: 2) by takyon on Monday September 24 2018, @03:59PM
This commercial came on (CBSN) when I started reading your comment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qux0zs2jFgc [youtube.com]
[SIG] 10/28/2017: Soylent Upgrade v14 [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 4, Interesting) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday September 24 2018, @06:14PM (3 children)
Where is all this lack of respect for housewives coming from? The home is the seat of the family and housewives run the home, so the only way I can see to denigrate them is to also denigrate the family. Me, I'll go on thinking of family as the most important thing in life and giving housewives the respect they're due for captaining that ship, if it's all the same to you.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @07:40PM (1 child)
Where did I display a lack of respect for housewives?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday September 25 2018, @03:35AM
Emphasis mine. It's not. It never has been. It's in fact quite a lot more important than nearly any job the breadwinner can take, as what he does is largely irrelevant to the family except that it brings in necessary money. That he has a job is crucial but what it entails is not. This is not the case for a housewife.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @10:52PM
I thought I covered that, in a preemptive sort of way here:
But, to elaborate. The basic idea is that if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. So housewives are, at a minimum, a willing cog in the machine of the patriarchy. This leads to to approaches, either "educate" them that they shouldn't be housewives, through various means, some less vicious than others, or attacking them as part of the machine. Hence, you see all the 4th-wavers seeing housewives as fair game and treating them as such. Of course, this leads to a self-reinforcing cycle because each side feels attacked, so striking back is only fair, right?
(Score: 3, Touché) by chromas on Sunday September 23 2018, @07:53AM (6 children)
The woman who would buy such a costume wants to be ogled. She's taking control of her sexuality. Nothin' wrong with that.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday September 23 2018, @10:40AM (5 children)
It's never been the men who started oppressing women about how they dressed. It's pretty much always been the older women of the same culture who demanded it. Burkas, long skirts, bras, whatever... Very few men in history have ever thought "I really hate looking at hot, scantily clad women all day".
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday September 23 2018, @06:21PM (2 children)
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday September 23 2018, @09:35PM (1 child)
Only the insecure ones and they tended not to last long in power. Pretty much all older and otherwise less attractive women thought it as well though. Insecurity about their looks isn't a common occurrence in women, it's near universal. And while men compete primarily by working harder and trying to become better than everyone else, women compete primarily by trying to destroy their rivals. Those are generalizations, ladies. Don't get your panties in a wad if they don't fit you in particular.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @05:49PM
Ah yes, another post by TMB pontificating on reality as if it aligns up perfectly with his own preconceptions. And that is before I got past the first sentence! Your world view is so limited, you should really do a world tour vacation.
(Score: 4, Funny) by chromas on Sunday September 23 2018, @07:43PM (1 child)
You don't understand. Thousands of years ago, male men hated women and ever since, their misogyny has been internalized by the womens and passed down generation to generation. This is what Patriarchy looks like.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday September 24 2018, @12:02AM
Well, it's true. One of the easiest places to spot internalized misogyny is in math-phobia among people who were socialized as girls (including trans men).
As AC up there indicates, there seems to be women rebelling against the notion that they must be providers and career women. I call third wave feminism capitalist feminism (or perhaps I'm referring to the fourth wave another AC up there described as being current) because it seeks to turn women into wage-slaves the same a men. All become cogs in the capitalist machine with this kind of feminism. The only visible changes to society are that some members of the capitalist class now have menstrual cycles in an academic sense, yet are otherwise indistinguishable from their male counterparts.
So we see women rebelling against this and desiring to return to the role of homemaker. However, I think that such a step back is not a good thing. This seems to be an artifact of internalized misogyny encouraged by the revulsion many women feel at the third wave and its identity politics. It could be that they see no other alternative between returning to traditional, limited roles that encourage women's political silence and pursuit of an increasingly absurd and thoroughly capitalist third wave that has nothing to offer them as members of the working class.
The ideal third wave woman is a wealthy capitalist. If there is anything unattainable that is being forced on to women, it is the idea that they will all be exorbitantly wealthy capitalists existing as parasites on an androgynous working class. The idea is a logical contradiction.
A credible fourth wave of feminism must get back to its Marxist roots. Feminism must undergo a radical, fundamental change. If anything, the results of third wave feminism seem to be encouraging much internalized misogyny in the form of the victim mentality, i.e. "I am powerless, so I must have a man do things for me." This creates SJWs who become white knights as men who are charged with ruthlessly pursuing the goals of capitalist feminism.
Women must be equal members of the working class and equally share in the wealth the working class creates, even if some or many choose to work as homemakers. If we're to have a revolution of the international working class against globalist capitalism, it must also be a feminist revolution. Women must be empowered to find new political voices to oppose both capitalism and capitalist feminism.